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Thu Dec 23, 1999 5:46 pm

This question is directed at Viscount.

I see you live in Gibralter. I visited there in 1994. Getting across the border from Spain and then back again was a nightmare. Are the Spanish still so full of s**t searching every car from bumper to bumper?

Anyway tell us what aircraft land there and is it busy? Does Gibralter have its own airline? What planes do they fly.

How long have you lived there and do you feel trapped between Spain and the Straights, or not?

Behind every "no" is a "yes"
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RE: Gibralter

Thu Dec 23, 1999 6:04 pm

Thanks for your accurate view of the troubles here. Yes Spain (a full member of the EU and a democracy!) continue to harass the citizens of a fellow EU state. They make innocent men and women of all ages wait for hours to enter their country in all sorts of weather. The Spanish border with Gibraltar must be the only place in the free and democratic world where you are still made to feel sub-human. However Gib is great place to live and we always put a brave face on for these problems.

We have a wonderful little airport which is operated by the RAF. The runway is 6,000 ft long and lies approx east to west along the north side of our beautiful Rock.

Most of the movements are by GB Airways (a BA franchise operator which used to be known as Gibraltar Airways) who operate B737-300 and -400s from LGW. Until recently they had a BAE Systems 146-200 service on Sundays to Manchester which was operated by British Regional Airlines.

Monarch Airlines operate they beautiful A320s 5 times a week from LTN.

Sometimes we are treated to the odd charter service from the UK by varying airlines and equipment. We also get lots of military equipment. We have quite a busy bizzjet operation too with people flying in to access the golf courses in the area.

In the past GB Airways owned and operated a Viscount on services to Morocco. They have also operated a DC-3, Trislander and in the very early days a Saro Whindover flying boat.

Some gems in the past have included a BA Tristar in the mid-seventies on a proving flight, and King Fahd of Saudia Arabia's A300-600R.

One day I plan to write a book on the history of commercial aviation here which I hope you will all buy.

Greetings from The Rock.
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RE: Gibralter

Mon Dec 27, 1999 8:55 am

Viscount I'll certainly buy your book one day. Are there no non-British airlines flying to Gibralter? It certainly is a very beautiful place.
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RE: Gibralter

Mon Dec 27, 1999 9:56 am

I was in Gibraltar in April99 and it's very true the spanish are very annoying about this. I was very close to the rock and could see it with my eyes and there were no signs on the roads on how to get there. But it's also true that one of my friends was not authorized by gibraltar authorities to enter this british territory just because he didn't carry his passport, the portuguese identity card was not enough, strange between two EU countries  
I have made a trip throw 8 EU countries and nobody asked for my passport so why there in Gibraltar (british)?

Anyway, the rock is one of the most beatiful sights I ever had and inside it is also amazing. I was there one entire Saturday and not a single aircraft used the airport, wich was empty as well.
I remember in bad weather days at Gibraltar, some planes diverted here to Faro (more than 300Km away) instead of going to a closer spanish airport, so you can see the type of relations between the two countries regarding this issue.

In this photo you can see the runway wich is crossed by the only road to the territory. On the other side is the spanish city of La Linea.

here you can see the civil airport terminal.

Luis, Faro, Portugal
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RE: Gibralter

Wed Dec 29, 1999 6:00 pm

Thanks B707 and a special thanks to Mirage for those wonderful photographs and your great comments.

Your friend should have been allowed in on his ID card. Are you sure it was the Gib authorities who did not let him in? Sounds more like a Spanish tactic to me.

The only non-British carrier at the moment is Regional Air Lines of Morocco who fly in six times a week from CMN with Raytheon Beechcraft 1900Ds. Their aircraft are immaculate and have toilet facilities which take up part of the rear cargo compartment. I flew from Washington to NY in one of these without the toilet of the then US Air Express. These aircraft are pretty nice to fly in.

All aircraft that cannot land in Gib due to weather used to divert to Faro or Tangier. Nowadays they go to Malaga because the frontier with Spain is open and passengers can be brought to Gib by coach. There are still no direct services allowed by the Spanish authorities between Gib and Spain!!

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RE: Gibralter

Wed Dec 29, 1999 6:03 pm

My last reply seems to have been listed as coming from Starship, the system seems to confuse us! Anyway it should read Viscount.
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RE: Gibralter

Wed Dec 29, 1999 6:05 pm

OK now I get it! Starship posted the original question. Sorry guys I'm new to the sysytem.

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