chicago757
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Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:07 am

I was wondering if you guys think that either Boeing or Airbus will make a plane with rear mounted engines like the DC-9 / MD80? I know the MD-90 wasnt a big success, but maybe something different than the twin engine wing-mounted aircraft. Tell me what you think............
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:26 am

Boeing makes the 717 (formerly MD90). That was inherited from McDonnell Douglas. For some reason, it does not appear that rear-engine planes are desirable. Not sure why.
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:55 am

Actually the 717 looks alot like the normal DC-9's not so much the MD-90's. However Boeing i know has a prototype of somesort like the MD-90's that i think they where going to offer to the airlines. The 717 is selling ok, Hawaian has a good amount, AirTran flyes the 717 which is replacing there DC-9's and buying A319's as well. There are a few other airlines buying the 717....Quantas, goes i know of some others but i just can think of them right now...oh well im going to go look up some pictures and see.

I dont think Boeing and exspesially Airbus are going to make a rear mounted engine aircraft again.
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:38 am

Bobs89: I think they are looking at a stretch 717 to appeal to the current operators. This will make it, I believe, the equivalent of the old DC-9-40 in length. The longer the 717 gets, the more it encroaches on 737 sales; and Boeing does not want to do that.

What Boeing really should have done (starting 10 years ago) was develop a smaller, 5-across jet to match or beat the new RJs. I don't think anyone could have anticipated the RJ (or big-RJ) growth spurt.
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:45 am

Midwest is in the process of recieving 25 717's as well.
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:47 am

AirTran flyes the 717 which is replacing there DC-9's and buying A319's as well. There are a few other airlines buying the 717....

A319? You mean 737's? Did I miss something?
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:48 am

Bob, Its Qantas and AirTran ordered the 737-700 (50 orders (28 new and 22 GECAS leased [or the other way around]) and 50 options) Also 10 more 717-200s.
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:56 am

The structure required for tail mounted engines makes the airframe inherently heavy....thus uneconomical. Plus there are less CG issues with a more balanced engin-on-wings-design.

The drag created by engines disrupting the airflow over the wings is outweighed by the above factors.

Also, the 717 is not a success...nor is it selling very well. In all likelihood it will be discontinued within the next two years after current deliveries are made.
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:01 am

A319? You mean 737's? Did I miss something?

He was misinformed. AirTran is buying 737-700s and 737-800s.

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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:35 am

...and staying on the subject.

I don't think so. Possibly, because of maintenance i.e. accessability to that engine. And $$$, of course. So either 2 or 4 engines, sadly.

There were plans of MD-12X (or something like that). Now that would be a challenge to the A346, and not 777-300ER.

The Dassault Falcons are the only 3-engine jets manufactured today (correct me if I'm wrong).

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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:36 am

Good question. I wouldn't say "never" and there's might be some possible in future. Like Greg said, it is uneconomical and other factors applied in nowdays. I think I remembered seeing some notes that the rear-mounted engines also create some difficulties for maintenance too. But there's always possible if they find a better way to get it done well efficient and economically.
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:31 am

ACTUALLY GUYS AirTran IS considering the A319.......here's a clip from an article.

AIRTRAN EVALUATE AIRCRAFT ORDER


AirTran Airways wants to order up to 100 more jetliners to continue its sharp growth, Chief Executive Joe Leonard said.



AirTran has strong ties to Boeing, but is also talking with rival jet maker Airbus about a possible blockbuster deal for 50 new jets and options on 50 more, Leonard said. Neither Boeing nor Airbus would confirm it was talking to AirTran, which currently leases most if not all of its 717s from Boeing and plans to continue growing at about 25 per cent per year from 2003 through 2005. "We would like, probably later this year, to put in an order for 100 airplanes - 50 firm airplanes and 50 options," Leonard said. "We see the need to take about one airplane a month to keep us on that growth plan, starting in mid next year." AirTran, which operates mostly on Eastern U.S. routes from its Atlanta hub, is the second all-Boeing carrier this month to say it might switch to Airbus, following Alaska Airlines similar statement on Jan 10.
Leonard said he would like to strike a deal in 2003 and begin taking delivery of which AirTran outfits with 117 seats, or taking slightly larger 737-700s, while one new jet per month by the middle of 2004, about the time a current AirTran agreement with Boeing for 717s has run its course. The talks with Boeing have centred on stretching or adding long-range fuel tanks to the 717, AirTran has talked with Airbus about the larger A319, Leonard said.

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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:00 am

GOD UR BEHIND THE TIMES! Check the age of that article! Boeing won the order in the end of June!
 
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:01 am

Wasn't that article written before the Air Tran order?

They ordered the 717 and 737, NOT the A319.



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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:03 am

Chicago, ya might want to check the date on that press release...

Airtran has already made their choice, and it was for the 737s. This comes despite the fact that there are Ryan Int'l Airbuses currently operating in Airtran livery.
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:05 am

There were plans of MD-12X (or something like that). Now that would be a challenge to the A346, and not 777-300ER

Considering that the A346 and 773ER are in the exact same class of aircraft.... how exactly do you propose the MD12 competing with one, and not the other?  Insane
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chicago757
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:08 am

i meant considered...sorry

I KNOW THEY ORDERED THE 737s...........ITS IN THE AUGUST ISSUE OF AIRWAYS MAGAZINES............GEEZ GUYS SETTLE DOWN

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[Edited 2003-08-23 01:15:45]
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RE: Will Boeing/Airbus Make Rear Mounted Engine A/c?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:41 am

AA F100s will be replaced with what then.....?

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