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Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 7:48 am

Now that the economy is picking up again, what will be the next big order ? Will it be from Air India ?
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:51 am

Yeah I reckon Air India could easily be an A388 candidate. India has the largest middle-class upwardly mobile population in the world and these people travel for business and pleasure.

Bombay - London
Delhi - London
Delhi - New York

I also think there's a high likelihood of an imminent A388 order from the Chinese Aviation Authority.

Eventually JAL and ANA will come to the party.
Cathay has dibs on a leased fleet before it orders its own.
Thai could do with a small fleet as could China Airlines, Asiana, Eva and Air New Zealand.
Maybe BA and KLM (has CargoLux ordered yet?).
Perhaps NWA and United.
Eventually South African.
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:54 am

I'd like to see some Mexican/South American operators place some orders. Perhaps AeroMexico or Avianca, maybe even Aerolineas Argentina.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:55 am

We will probably see airlines resort to parked a/c instead of buying new ones right away. I know Boeing is concerned about this.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 8:56 am

I'm willing to bet my first child that AI wont be the next "big aircraft order"  Laugh out loud

AZ has been quietly looking at a larger fleet type for a while now.
DL is studying 100seaters
QR has yet to decide between A345 and 772LR to complement its A346s
NZ has yet to decide between A346 and 773ER
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:19 am

Cargolux will not order the A380 due to the fact theres no nose load option.
As far as I know Cargolux will be a faithful Boeing customer for a awhile.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 9:39 am

I guess that the Star Alliance has been looking for an aircraft in the 100 seat category to purchase. The group includes Lufthansa, SAS, Air Canada, and possibly Austrian. I really dont know how Air Canada can even be looking to purchase aircraft considering the financial position they are in, and the fact that they didnt take the A345's. I guess Finnair is also looking for a 100 seater, but I have no idea how soon they plan on purchasing anything.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:55 pm

Here are my replies to suggestions posted for this topic :

1. If Alitalia is thinking of bringing in a larger aircraft into its fleet, it will 100% not be the A 380, it will most likely be the Boeing 777-300ER or Boeing 747-400 (they have a freighter version of it)...but I bet it would be the 773 as they already have the 772. 773 would replace MD 11s and maybe B 7E7 replace their ageing B 763s by 2007-08.

2. Cathay Pacific and Air Canada are not in a position to order new aircraft this year.

3. Air India's order would be for 17 B 772ERs or A 343s + 17 B 739s or A 321s.

4. JAL and ANA will not be ordering the A 380 anytime soon and I dont think so will order them as they would be filled up on domestic routes mainly and not consistently on LHR-HKG-SA - California">LAX-SA - New York">JFK routes!

Motorhussy wrote "Thai could do with a small fleet as could China Airlines, Asiana, Eva and Air New Zealand. Maybe BA and KLM (has CargoLux ordered yet?). Perhaps NWA and United. Eventually South African"

5. Only BA and SAA have the demand scale to consistently operate the A 380 on key routes to USA-UK-SA-HKG-SYD etc etc, the other airlines do not especially ANZ-UAL-NWA.

6. Qatar Airways is not now going to order Boeings until 2007 earliest I would say as its Chairman has already said that it will and continue to be "an exclusive AIRBUS customer". Its not considering A 345s...it is sticking with A 346 IGWs.

7. Air New Zealand have replaced their B 737 Classics with A 320s. The ideal replacement for their B 763s is the Airbus A 332 or A 343 or B 772 however I see Airbus winning the battle here using the A 332 + A 343 combo promotion to its advantage. I dont think so that it will replace its B 744s with A 380s nor A 346s as they regularly fill up their 744s to LHR and SA - California">LAX.

8. Whats the latest on KUWAIT AIRWAYS replacing their AB6s and A 313s with A 332s?

9. BIMAN buying B 772ERs to replace DC 10-30ERs? They leased 3-4 this year for HAJJ!

10. I wouldnt be surprised if EMIRATES places a MOU or a large order for more B 777s or A 330/340s at some prestigious air show/event next year.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 12:56 pm

Aer Lingus and Virgin are looking for airplanes at the moment.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:29 pm

Kuwait Airways is studying aircraft replacements. They are considering the A32X/B738 to replace their current A320, the B7E7/A332 for the A310/A300 replacement as well as the A340-300E/A340-500/B777-200LR to replace their A340/B777. If the Boeing exclusivity agreement still counts then expect a nice size order for Boeing.

Behramjee,

"6. Qatar Airways is not now going to order Boeings until 2007 earliest I would say as its Chairman has already said that it will and continue to be "an exclusive AIRBUS customer". Its not considering A 345s...it is sticking with A 346 IGWs."

I suggest you do some research on the issue and you will find that it is not the case. A Boeing spokesperson said to Reuters after Airbus got the order that they are still in discussion with QR for the B777-200LR for the US operations. The Chairman and CEO then said that they want to open competition between the two manufacturers "soon" for an order to be placed next year. As for the "exclusive AIRBUS customer", QR was saying that earlier in the year even as they were prepared to anounce a B777-300ER order which was cancelled about a week before the Paris show for the A340-600HGW (See Flight International).

 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:36 pm

NWA finally ordering 717s to replace their DC-9s.

DL ordering 717s and more 777s.

CO ordering 8 767-300s
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:39 pm

What about US? Any smaller planes for airlines or something? I know Alaska Airlines is seriously considering A320s and A321s. Air Tran, as we already know, has that big 737-700 order. Anything?

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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:40 pm

Whoa! STT757, where did you hear this? I would love to know.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:47 pm

**I know Alaska Airlines is seriously considering A320s and A321s.**

Why? They have the 73G and the 739.

That just sounds rediculous right there. Is Alaska Airlines going to make their headquarters and main hub in Anchorage now? Because if they buy Airbus's there's a good chance they won't be hubbing at SEA anymore
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:52 pm

That was the rumor a couple of months ago, but I don't see that happening.
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:54 pm

Whoa! STT757, where did you hear this? I would love to know.

I believe he was kidding.

I know Alaska Airlines is seriously considering A320s and A321s.

Fat chance. They've got a large fleet of 737s. Airlines strive to keep it as simple as possible. I would be shocked if they ordered Airbuses. Not only would it be bad for fleet commonality, but Boeing would be pissed considering they're based in their home town (OK, Boeing is technically based in Chicago, but we all know where it originated and where they make the big 'ole planes).
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 1:59 pm

HlywdCatft-we are not moving our HQ to ANC  Smile We will not by Airbus's! We have deferred orders on some 900's, and changed some to 700's. Which means we are looking more towards range more then seats. If Boeing comes out with the 900X, I assure you we are first in line. No Airbus's!!!!
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:01 pm

They need to move their headquarters back to ANC. It was a currupt New York junk dealer named Raymond Marshall that moved it down south back in the forties so it would be closer to his offices.
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:04 pm

Oops, sorry, I reread the article and it said that they were looking into Airbus' A320s and A321s and Boeings 737s, into replacing the MD-80 and 737-200 Combi. Here is the article

http://www.alaskasworld.com/news/2003/01/22_qofwk_airbus.asp

I think this is part of "Alaska 2010", the long term plan to build up the airlines economy. I am still trying to read more about it, but it sounds like a good idea, if you ask me.

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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:15 pm

An A320 would be next to worthless in the intra-alaska market.
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 2:43 pm

Now that the economy is picking up again

It is? Personally, I don't quite see that. Unemployment is at a post-Depression high, and consumer confidence is in the toilet.

As for aircraft orders, we have seen quite a few good ones this year. AirTran, Ryanair, Easyjet, and jetBlue come to mind. Southwest and WestJet are taking delivery of quite a few planes as well in the coming two years as well.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 4:11 pm

Kuwait Airways is studying aircraft replacements. They are considering the A32X/B738 to replace their current A320, the B7E7/A332 for the A310/A300 replacement as well as the A340-300E/A340-500/B777-200LR to replace their A340/B777. If the Boeing exclusivity agreement still counts then expect a nice size order for Boeing.

QatarAirways

you are only partially correct. No plans for the A320 or the long haul fleet replacement as yet. No new additions to the KU fleet until 2006. Even then the airplanes that will be replaced will be the A300/A310. The aircraft thought to be most likely is the A332. KU plans to expand its fleet at a very slow pace and plans to have 23 aircraft by 2010 (from the current 17).

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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 5:14 pm

Evidence of a recovery is mounting. New unemployment claims are falling, leading indicators are rising, and firms' bottom lines are improving, which are all signs of a strengthening economy. US unemployment is around 6%, which is historically moderate. Unemployment is also a lagging indicator, meaning it only improves after a recession ends:



The question of whether high-yield business traffic returns is another matter; I suspect that US airlines will never again see the huge cash infusions from business class travelers that they enjoyed during the 1990s. Most will have to recover from their financial tailspins and adjust to the new market environment in order to become profitable. Only then will US airlines be in a condition to place large orders.

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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:41 pm

I'm willing to bet my first child that AI wont be the next "big aircraft order"

Sadly for us friends of AI, true. With general elections due in the coming months, I do not see the Government taking any concrete decisions as far as AI goes in the near future. Like it has been doing for eons, AI's will remain the "next big aircraft order-in-waiting" for quite some more time to come.

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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sat Aug 23, 2003 6:48 pm

By the end of September, Aer Lingus will have confirmed an order for either 17 A320s or 27 737-800/900s. Boeing will have to come up with an astonishingly good deal to win the deal, but it will be the biggest order in EI's history.

Air India will hopefully order the 777 while it's still in production; at the rate the Indian civil service is obstructing things, I often doubt it! However, hopefully it can happen before the end of the year.

STAR Alliance airlines are expected to make a big Embraer 190/195 order before year end.

That's about it for this year, but there will be surprises along the way . . .
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:16 am

Vimanav,

What I mentioned was based upon a Flight International article, while I know they are not always accurate this time it was based upon information directly from KU rather than second hand and "unnamed" sources. Here is a quote:




The carrier tells Flight International's sister online service Air Transport Intelligence that it is evaluating narrowbody and widebody types to replace its fleet of three Airbus A320s, five A300-600Rs, three A310-300s and five A300-600Rs. The deal could be expanded to include the replacement of its six larger, longer-range widebodies - four A340-300s and two Boeing 777-200ERs.

The A320 family is competing with the 737 for the narrowbody replacement, while the A330 is fighting the 7E7 in the 230- to 250-seat campaign. "A decision will be made in early 2004. This is mainly due to the 7E7 development," says Shatha Al Qureshi, secretary to the committee handling the fleet-renewal programme at the airline.
 
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RE: Next Big Aircraft Order?

Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:35 am

The carrier tells Flight International's sister online service Air Transport Intelligence that it is evaluating narrowbody and widebody types to replace its fleet of three Airbus A320s, five A300-600Rs, three A310-300s and five A300-600Rs. The deal could be expanded to include the replacement of its six larger, longer-range widebodies - four A340-300s and two Boeing 777-200ERs.

My source is the KAC Director General himself who is also the head of the committee to evaluate new airplanes and recommend acquisition. He made his statements during the Annual Conference of KAC in May this year.

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