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How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 6:57 am

I know that LY has security guards onboard all their passenger flights, and also RJ used to have them.

Are there other companies with security guards onboard their aircraft?
Also some time ago there were plans for Us airlines to have them aboard?
 
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 7:03 am

Don't know acutaly, the only one I ever knew of was LY...but you mentioned that....I expect that maybe most US carriers do now...maybe plain cothed officers???
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 7:06 am

And plane in the U.S. could potentially have armed security onboard, so nobody can say that certain airlines have them while others don't. The pilots may be armed (Federal Flight Deck Officer program), there may be Federal Air Marshals (FAMs) onboard, and even regular law enforcement officers may be armed on your flight.
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 7:28 am

...don´t know about other airlines either but LY certainly have had loads of special security measures around since they were established. A mate of mine (who is Jewish, obviously) used to work for LY security and he really has some good stories. I reckon there are a lot of classified stories but they wouldn´t ever talk about these.

Yep, shin bet are highly involved in these operations and LY are really careful wherever they fly. Here in Helsinki for example there was always one LY employee and the Finnish police at the end of the runway to secure landing and take-off - well, what happened in Kenya could happen anywhere I´m afraid. My mate also boasted of giving an order to close the airport in Helsinki three times during his career, well, I´m not sure what happened though but sounds interesting in any case. As for cargo their own staff control everything that is done on that side of ops too. I assume every single package is inspected quite thoroughly. Of what I´ve heard LY was a real nuisance with cargo at HEL - loads and loads of extra work for everybody.

According to my mate you can always spot the security guards pretty easily as they all look the same. I don´t know much about this but they have always guards who go with the rest of pax plus other personnel onboard as well. And at airports they patrol around the plane and all that stuff.

What I have understood the job is quite difficult in the sense that 99% of the time simply nothing special happens so it´s quite hard to stay alert. In the long run it is really easy to lull yourself into a false sense of security even if you are trained to do the job. Yep, the image that I got from my mate is that working for LY security is a great job when you are young as you get to travel and have a great time in all the cities the airline fly to. I reckon most of us probably lack some of the qualifications to be hired by LY...
 
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 7:32 am

i heard that most US carriers pilots carry guns.
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:16 am

i heard that most US carriers pilots carry guns.


some do, but it's a real stretch to say "most"
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:21 am

some uk airlines also have security guards on board
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 8:22 am

I've heard reports of large numbers of air marshalls are being layed off in favor of armed pilots.
 
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 9:43 am

I recall a while back reading about an African airline that was the subject of an attemped hijacking, but the onbard security guards killed the hijackers. Canot recall the aiirline.
 
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 10:11 am

MSNBC reported that every EL AL flight has at least 2 armed security guards.
 
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RE: How Many Airlines Have Security Guards Onboard?

Mon Aug 25, 2003 11:44 am

I have a friend at AA, and he says there are usually a few either non-uniform officers, or air marshalls on board with them.
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