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Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 9:35 am

I was off work today but my co-worker told me Singapore Air was in TPA today with full demo's of their seats and giving out mousepads, cd's, Ben & Jerrys, Krispy Kream, and assorted Singapore Air items. Being a non airline interested person, she went to visit for the food and didnt notice what the rest was about. Does anybody else know? Does Singapore have any plans to somehow serve TPA? Whats going on here? Why else would they have had this rather large demo going in TPA?
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 10:48 am

That is very interesting! There are a lot of what-ifs, but imagine if they did serve TPA. I wonder what the reasoning to serve that city would be. Could it possibly support a service from Europe if SQ went via Europe? What about Asia? This sounds really weird to me and I don't think they'd really start a service to TPA, but this is certainly intriguing!

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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:04 am

Why in the world would they be here if they were not planning something?
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She is going to give me the cd they handed out though. Maybe that will have a clue.
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:33 pm

It's probably just a marketing roadshow that covers various cities in the states. SQ does this in other parts of the world too. Roadshows create awareness of the SQ product. This is case, they were probably targeting TPA as a city that could potentially provide the traffic to SQ's US services ex-JFK, EWR etc.
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:34 pm

This was in the terminal? Hey, did you see the European 747 on Saturday?
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:41 pm

Rumor is that SQ plans to serve TPA as a continuation of their CPT flights using 744s. There is a large South African community in Florida that would benefit from these flights.
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 12:47 pm

It was a display, right, and no aircraft were involved? Was there a trailer painted in SIA colours, etc? If this is correct, then SQ772 would be right - it's probably a roadshow. SIA has done such displays in offline cities just for marketing purposes. Sorry to disappoint you!
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 4:32 pm

B747-437B

Are you kidding about SQ wanting to serve Tamap? I don't think I'll see that in my lifetime!

Perhaps they could start first with Chicago and Toronto, maybe even Atlanta and Washington. Maybe then could Tampa come into the picture!!

 
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:46 pm

Yes there was a trailer, no aircraft involved.

727Lover,
They were in the Southwest baggage claim area of all places.
I managed to miss out on the European 747. I read your thread from the other day and was disappointed I missed it. It would have been nice to see something besides the good 'ol Chelsea Rose at the gate  Smile
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Tue Aug 26, 2003 11:50 pm

Whereelse is the tour going? I HAVE to get on that tour!
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:19 am

SQ are needed in Toronto badly! They used to fly B 744s via VIENNA and CPH/BRU to YYZ till July 92.

As for USA, MIAMI would be a sensible option for them and codeshare with UAL partner to Latin America and other regional-domestic routes as MIA is a hub for UAL too.
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:39 am

Since when is MIA a hub for UA?
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:42 am

I think there is a problem with AC preventing SQ from flying direct to YYZ
 
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Wed Aug 27, 2003 12:51 am

The trailer is on tour to many large travel agencies throught the US. I recently attended the NBTA (National Business Travel Association) convention in Dallas and saw the exhibit. After the show, SQ took the trailer up to two different, large travel agencies located in the DFW area. I think it also went to large agencies down in Houston.

By no means does having that trailer come through TPA means that SQ will begin service to TPA.

SQ is just wanting travel agents and top corporate customers their new seats in C class that lie flat. There is also a mock-up of their F class seats also.


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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Wed Aug 27, 2003 3:51 am

I think there is a problem with AC preventing SQ from flying direct to YYZ

Not a problem with AC per se, but there are bilateral restrictions that preclude SQ from adding service to Canada at this time. Not sure of the specifics, but I read an article about it last year.
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RE: Singapore Airlines To Tampa?

Wed Aug 27, 2003 4:35 am

Here are the specifics, summarised. All years are approximate - this is all from memory as I can't be bothered to research exact dates.

In the early 80s, Canada and Singapore signed their first bilateral air services agreement (ASA). Under this ASA, AC could fly through almost any point to SIN without restrictions. SQ had pretty significant restrictions placed on them, esp with respect to intermediate points. For example, flights to Toronto HAD to stop in Montreal, and certain intermediate points - most notably London - were excluded. I think for YVR, SQ had to stop on the US West Coast or something like that. SQ obviously didn't want these restrictions, but the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS), which negotiates ASAs, signed the agreement anyway because they wanted AC in SIN.

AC started service in the mid-80s with L1011s routed YYZ-LHR-BOM-SINvv, later upgraded to 742s. SQ could not start any viable service to Canada. So, they convinced the CAAS to tear up the agreement. They gave AC one years' notice. After a lot of talks, a new agreement was signed. Under this ASA, SQ could operate SIN-SEL-YVRvv, and the requirement for a Montreal stop to YYZ was removed.

Under the new ASA, SQ launched SIN-SEL-YVRvv services in 1988, I think. AC/Transport Canada had no issues with this route. In the meantime, AC publicly announced that the YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN vv route was doing very well (a lot of 5th freedom traffic) and that they intended to make SIN their Southeast Asian hub by launching more flights, including YYZ-FRA-DEL-SINvv and YVR-SEL-SINvv, but then they unexpectedly withdrew from BOM and SIN in 1991, I think, as part of their efforts to stem losses. SQ then launched SIN-VIE-AMS-YYZvv in 1991 after AC's withdrawal, IIRC. AC had issues with this route. They claimed that SQ carried too many 5th freedom paxs from Europe to YYZ (by the way AC only flew to VIE at the time, not AMS). Transport Canada then tore up the ASA and gave SQ one year's notice.

The two countries went back to the negotiating table. SQ offered to withdraw from VIE (making AMS the only stop en route, and they did do so in early 1992), limit 5th freedom paxs to 80%, etc. However, the two sides could not agree and the talks ended. SQ withdrew from YYZ at the end of the one year period.

No ASA has been signed till today. SQ's YVR services are operated under a "memorandum of understanding", and renewed annually.

Given this history between the two countries/airlines, it was therefore no surprise that SQ's entry into Star was a little problematic with TG's objections and strained relations with AC. However, AC and SQ are now codesharing on LHR-YYZ (AC flights) and LHR-SIN (SQ).