Im glad to see that BOEING is getting back to its aggressive marketing tactics that it has used with SQ in the past.
Desperate would be more appropriate dont u think?
Since 17 long haul aircraft are going to be ordered why not order 10 B 777-200ERs, 5 Boeing 747-400s and 2 Boeing 747-400 Combis (to replace the 2 B 743 Combis).
There u show your bias again! Nothing wrong with that, if it were based on solid reasoning, which it clearly isnt.
Why Boeing? Why not 8 A330-200's, 4 A330-300's and 5 A340-300's? 'cos Behramjee loves the trash churned out at Seattle?
The Boeing 777 is no doubt a very fine aircraft, but it clearly doesnt fit in the AI mission requirements. I have said it before and I say it again:The 777-200ER is a downright bad choice for Air India, and below I shall lay out my case as to why I say so.
Whatever the professional whiners living to the west of the Atlantic may say,Airbus has a larger market share today because it is doing something right. I am sure the Boeing 777-200ER would look super sexy in Air India's "Palace in the Sky" livery. But thats not what an Airline should be looking for in an aircraft.
Ultimately the selection of aircraft should be based on technical issues and also National interest. Air India needs aircraft that can handle both ultra-long hauls and short haul feeders. Can the 777-200ER do BOTH kind of routes BETTER than say a combination of 330/340's? THAT is the question. Initial Cost of Acquisition as well as operational costs clearly show Airbus to be the winner. The A330-200 with 290 seats 2-class, can serve both regional operations, domestic feeds as well as medium hauls non-stop to Europe. The A330-300 with 335 seats 2-class can handle similar routes but with additional capacity. The A340-300 with 260-280 seats 3-class can handle the ultra-long hauls. All these with the same set of crew! The airframes of the 3 aircraft have 95% commonality, which translates into huge savings on inventory! AI can thus operate different set of aircraft fulfilling specific roles, while at the same time retaining commonality in key areas: A HUGE advantage. The A330 and the A340 are designed for specific roles. The 777 on the other hand is designed for ultra-long hauls, so can it be economic on shorter hauls as well? Or rather, i should ask if the 777 would be MORE economical than the A330-200/300 on a typical route like (say) BOM-MAA-SIN or indeed AMD-BOM-JNB.
Choosing the Boeing 777 would mean using the same airframe for essentially 2 completely different roles: Ultra-Long Haul and Short-Medium Hauls. The Airbus option would mean using different aircraft for different missions, as it should be, but yet retaining and even enhancing commonality benefits. The advantage here comes not just from better technology, but better application of Technology.
Since IC has already plumped for Airbus for its own 43 aircraft order of 120-180 seat aircraft, a combined AI/IC order would help our Govt to negotiate a sweetheart deal from Airbus. IF AI decides to also go in for 12-18 short haul 150-180 seat narrowbodies for the Gulf routes at a later date, then the A32X family again makes sense because again there would be crew commonality benefits between the A32X and the A330/340. Also if AI selects the CFM56 engines for the A340, it would result in substantial savings on the
engineering front as well, since IC is opting for CFM56 engines for their newer A32X’s! The 340-300 would also give AI the capability to scale up later to the larger, more capable A340-500 and -600 as well, and possibly even the A380 at a later stage! Sooner or later, a country the size of India is going to grow to need the 600 seat superjumbo! With Airbus you get flexibility. But with Boeing you cant do that!
And what can Boeing offer at this stage in answer to this? An aircraft that is suitable for long hauls but is questionable for use on shorter hauls? And what does AI then do when it needs a 150-180 seat aircraft? 737-800’s? With Zero Commonality benefits with anything else that AI operates?
And yet some children here suggest that the 777 makes sense because it "would look so sexy"? I mean PUHLEEZE!
N79969, Hamlet69, YYZ717 etc: Exactly what is it to you whether Air India purchases Airbus or the Boeing?
To answer a specific point raised by someone earlier: the A330-200 and the A330-300 can be powered by the PW engines similar to the one used on the 747-400’s. The A340-500 is better fit as VimanAv stated. But the reasoning behind the A340-300 with CFM56 engines is that it would give commonality benefits across IC’s fleet of CFM56 powered A32X’s (the newer ones coming in) as well as AI’s own fleet of SCSR’s which could use the same engine. They would have the same core.
Have a query here: Could a 772 operating routes of an avg of 6 hours duration (min 1.5 hrs, max 9 hours) do them cheaper than a A330-200? All costs considered? Same comparison for a route of length 14.5 hours.
Mr.Keskar: The erstwhile CEO of Boeing India? Hmm! now that is an interesting character! His bashing of Airbus shows a certain complex! How do you say it in America? LOOOSER!? Right! How many orders has he won for Boeing since he got here? Say it again, loudly this time: LOOSER! And a very bad one at that!
But I am more concerned with what this character did while he was here. An honest look at his activities would be a sobering experience for those American patriots who claim that Boeing is the epitome of clean business practices while its foreign competitors are all corrupt. The CBI should be made to investigate into his use of Boeing India’s “Entertainment Account”, and find out who all were “entertained” through that. Also, while they are at it, they could also probe his links with politicians like Pramod Mahajan and also the dirty politics behind appointment of the Naresh Chandra committee. All this should be pretty revealing! And yes, confiscate his passport and put him under house arrest before launching the investigation: We don’t want another Hinduja fleeing off to Switzerland!
This character made a lot of noise about how the Boeing lost the 150 seat aircraft order for IC in the 1980’s because of corruption. Well, the CBI and indeed the Govt have just given the former ruling party and babus involved a clean chit. A Govt consisting of the former ruling party’s fiercest opponents giving them a clean chit?
So what do u make of Keskar’s rant? A classic case of the pot calling the kettle black! And this guy still has credibility? Yeah right!
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