UALPHLCS
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United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 10:15 pm

I thought this was a new interesting bit in UA's Newsreel that is posted for UA employees to read. Of special interest is UA having the only all Cat III fleet in world.

United Helps Certify Denver's New Runway
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Through fog, rain, sleet and snow, Denver
International Airport's new runway will be open for
business thanks to United. Today two pilots --
Director Flight Standards and Technology Captain Joe
Burns and Airbus Assistant Chief Pilot Captain Ray
Nesheim -- will land an Airbus A320 on runway 34L,
using its auto-land capabilities. This landing will
assist in certifying the runway to Category III
minimums, paving the way for its Sept. 4 grand
opening. CAT III approach technology allows flights
to land during the lowest visibility conditions --
down to 300 feet. United is the only major airline
in the world equipped with an all-CAT III fleet.

"We've worked closely with FAA and DIA officials for
the last several years to demonstrate the
effectiveness and safety of this new runway," says
Capt. Burns. "Even though the FAA has a fleet of
test aircraft, they called on our modern fleet to
achieve a CAT III rating. Certifying Denver's
latest and largest runway is an honor, as well as a
testament to United's strong relationship with the
FAA, the city of Denver and its airport."

Measuring 16,000 feet long and 200 feet wide,
Denver's new runway is the longest commercial runway
in North America. It will allow 30 additional
landings per hour in both good weather and bad. On
a clear day, Denver soon will be able to land
approximately 160 aircraft per hour -- one of the
highest arrival rates in the world. In stormy
weather, Denver will lead the industry with 120
arrivals per hour. Situated on 53 square miles, DIA
is one of the largest airports in the world, with
plenty of room to grow.

"United has been involved in every major
technological step forward in commercial aviation
for 77 years," says Captain Steve Forte, senior vice
president-Flight Operations. "This shows that we
are world-class in our acceptance and use of
technology and innovation."
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potomac
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:07 pm

that's pretty interesting - i've flown in and out of denver several times recently, and have been able to get good views of the new runway. that added capacity will be great for DEN and all of the carriers who use the airport. no more "hot and high" take-off weight restrictions with that much concrete.

now, lets just see how long it takes for someone to figure out a way to chime in with the anti-UA comments on this topic....
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:25 pm

UALPHLCS-where did this info come from? Alaska Airlines is a all Cat III airline.So they are not the only airline with all CatIII ops. We also use RNP which most other don't. Just curious who wrote the article!
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:34 pm

Potomac:
If you check the performance documents, you will notice that most long-haul airliners still have substantial take-off mass restrictions in DEN during a hot day, only that have been significantly reduced.

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potomac
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:37 pm

well, i dont have the performance documents, though i had read that the primary idea behind the runway length was to mitigate those instances where long-hauls/heavies would normally be weight-restricted. also, the runway could help draw additional long-haul service.
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:38 pm

Wow, that's just a monster sized runway, very impressive.
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:40 pm

DEN already can run three parallel, simultaneous approaches. Yet another approach won't increase the acceptance rate in bad weather. That's because the bottleneck isn't getting enough aircraft on the approach, it's keeping enough usable pavement plowed. This new runway will help for heavily loaded aircraft on hot days, but it won't do a thing for DEN's acceptance rate. Another Pena boondoggle!

BTW, JetBlue will be a major airline any time now, and it has an all Cat III fleet. Just thought I'd throw that in. Good point about Alaska, too.
 
potomac
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:49 pm

though bad weather in DEN doesn't always mean snow that needs to be plowed. but good weather or not, how does 4 parallel approaches vs. 3 NOT increase the acceptance rate?
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:34 am

Is this runway too close to 34R for simultaneous approaches?? That could be the reason why the AAR doesn't go up in bad weather. I'm just guessing though.

Ry
 
potomac
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:45 am

you may be right - the 16s/34s are closer to eachother than the 17s/35s. i assume then that the bad weather AAR is currently 120 and will stay that way, with the major advantage coming with the increase (+40) in the good weather AAR.
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:47 am

RWY 8/28??? It is incorrect number RWY. 8/26 is correct but that's not new runway 8/26. It should be new runway is: 16R/34L. The RWY 8/26 is an old runway since open new airport.


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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:22 am

The new runway IS closer to the next than the other 5, but it still exceeds FAA separation requirements for simultaneous ILS approaches.

Denver will be the only airport in the world to support 4 simultaneous approaches if I'm not mistaken.

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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:41 am

Big777Jet, thats the date. August 28th.  Smile
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 4:45 am

16K ft?????
Are they expecting the space shuttle?
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:21 am

Oh I see opps! LOL  Laugh out loud Sorry!  Innocent

Thanks,

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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 11:54 am

This came from the UA Skynet and the Newsreel that is sent to employees.
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:16 pm

There are other airports that can support 4 simultaneous approaches. DFW comes to mind with landings on 13R, 18R, 17C and 17L. If I'm not mistaken, approaches to 13R and 18R are still considered simultaneous. Anyway, if they're not, DFW will still have capability for 4 simultaneous approaches when they open the new 18R/36L, the current 18R/36L becoming 18C/36C.
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:28 pm

Now I do feel silly. I had no idea Denver had a new runway!  Confused

How long has it been since construction of it started?
 
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RE: United Lands On New DEN Runway 8/28

Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:34 pm

If I'm not mistaken the runway has been finished for a little while now. I believe that recently they have been constructing the taxiways. Good to hear that it will be opening soon. I look forward to possibly using this the next time I fly out of Denver.

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