northwestair
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XJ In PHL And EWR

Fri Aug 29, 2003 6:27 am

Well it looks like NWA is starting to pull out of MEM. I just looked in PARS and noticed that starting 03Sep all of the MEM-PHL and return flts will be operated by XJ RJ85. Almost the same thing will happen in EWR. All but one will be an RJ 85. In SLC the SLC-MSP will be operated by XJ RJ85 just 2 of the 4 flts.  Sad
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MSPXJGuy
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Fri Aug 29, 2003 6:53 am

Fine with me! Give us more. How bout a MSP-COS on an ARJ? Start getting rid of those CRJs. The flight crews are mean. OK, yes im biased. But anyways, yes, Mesaba is taking flights from NW and turning MEM to regional. Heard a rumor that NW in renogotiating their contract with the pilots want to raise the limit of ARJs NW can have and NW would try to acquire more. Not sure where that stands. Just know that NW will be eventually giving XJ and 9E C17-C21 along with their current gates in MSP.
 
northwestair
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Fri Aug 29, 2003 6:59 am

Yea but I also heard that NW will have to have another round of layoffs in MEM. I know here in OKC we are station protected against the RJ and CRJ, but I don't know about the HUBS
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usairways85
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Fri Aug 29, 2003 8:41 am

It will be nice to see some new aircraft in PHL though. NW usually operated MEM-PHL with the smallest DC-9's so this probably isn't that much of a drop considering the RJ85's have a little under 100 seats in them.
 
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Fri Aug 29, 2003 12:06 pm

Dont you think that airlines will lose some revenue by switching to these smaller aircrafts. Such as us (CO) moving 3 of 5 MSP-EWR flts to XRJ's.
 
acidradio
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Fri Aug 29, 2003 3:56 pm

Um, there really aren't any RJ85's you can just buy anymore. They are not made anymore. Unless they went to the used airplane lot, but then again anything is possible.
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Markus
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Fri Aug 29, 2003 5:09 pm

Actually, I believe the RJ-85 has quite a few less seats than the DC9-30. Correct me if I'm wrong but the Mesaba RJ-85s are configured with 69 seats in order to comply with the NWA scope clause limiting their regionals from operating jets with 70+ seats.
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acidradio
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:43 am

Yes, that is to comply with the scope clause. It called for 36 a/c with less than 70 pax.
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sat Aug 30, 2003 2:50 am

I personally like this plane a lot. 69 seats in a plane built for more ensures some good leg room in some seats.
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MSPXJGuy
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sat Aug 30, 2003 12:52 pm

Can always buy ARJs from other airlines that don't operate them. Yes they would be hard to acquire.

Yes, there is the clause that the ARJs have to be configured to 69 seats even though they can handle 85. Making Mesaba the only regional in the US to have first class. NW wants to renegotiate the clause with their pilots to allow us to have more at 85. All of this is a long ways off.

Also, Mesaba only is operating 35 ARJs. 1 hit a jet bridge down in MEM, caused a big fire, took off an engine, yadda yadda. Mait forgot to turn on the hydrolics if i remember right, was being taxied from the hanger. They made an announcement last month that they will go ahead and fix it although who knows when it will be ready. I personally don't want to fly on that plane, gonna have a lot of problems i can feel it. (AC 528)

As far as losing revenue. They really aren't. Gotta figure that our pilots make a lot less than those of NW. Our first year Saab first officers start at 17,000. Yes thats right. 3 years they are making 24,000. Partially why it looks like they will be striking. They top out at 85,000 as a captain of an ARJ. Then there are the CSAs who are starting out at 9.50 an hour. (Im at 10.40) NW I think top out at 25.00 and we top out at like 17.00 after 7 years, most of us are at like 2 years. (on ramp) That and NW makes double time and a half on holidays, we just get standard time and a half. So, NW pays a lot more to operate a flight on their own than having a regional doing it. They pay Mesaba to operate it and Mesaba takes care of us employees (Not doing a good job of it but don't tell management, were not union {{{YET}}})
 
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sat Aug 30, 2003 4:30 pm

MSPXJGuy-

Scope clauses don't just magically go away. You are trivializing it.

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HlywdCatft
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sat Aug 30, 2003 10:32 pm

How are they going to buy more ARJs when they aren't made anymore? I like the ARJ, I think it is a cool looking little plane and would love to see some down here in MCO or 146s, I'm kind of tired of all the Chataqua ERJs here, and as I am writing this another one just flew over.

Maybe Northwest needs to start looking at a CRJ-700 and keeping it to 69 seats.
 
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:12 pm

One of HP's regionals has a first class cabin as well. Tho I do believe NW was the first to offer it.
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azjubilee
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:50 am

A few misconceptions here... NW is not pulling out of MEM, nor are they pulling out of the EWR and PHL markets to MEM. The only difference now is that Mesaba will be operating the flights on behalf of NW. NW will still work the gates and ramp in these cities. NW has so much control over Mesaba and PInnacle that it is nearly the same operation. As someone mentioned, we work for so much less at XJ it's like we're a NW Z payscale. When it all boils down to it - at 9E and XJ - we really work for NW. The customer will see no difference, exept for a smaller plane with more legroom. There will even be buy on board meals in coach on these flights.

ALL first officers at XJ start out at $17K/yr - we're all paid the same regardless of equipment. And we're all in need of a raise - everyone at XJ is. Our rampers are grossly underpaid and overworked - and way more efficient (but sometimes just as lazy as the NW ones...). The mechanics are underpaid and overworked too! The story is the same for all at XJ - except for mgmt of course.

Avros are no longer produced - but SN Brussels will be unloading their fleet soon - and who knows what LH and Swiss plans are in the long run.

528 did not crash as a result of the mechanics not turning the hyraulics on. It's a lot more complicated than that. There is no hanger in MEM - they were doing an engine run away from the gate in the deice pad and had to make the airplane think it was in the air for the tests they were doing. It seems like they neglected to return to the airplane to the condition to make it think it was on the gorund again and when they went to use the brakes while taxiing too fast - there were none.

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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:57 am

Thanks AZJ. Im a rampy for Mesaba and thanks for giving us some credit. I'm not a pilot and don't know everything about how planes work, I heard that it was hydrolics and assumed that was it (heard from people at work).

As far as acidradio's comment about scope clauses. I understand that. It was talk about what NW wanted to do with THEIR pilots with the negotiations of a new contract. It's in NWs master plan to try and cut down the payroll. And as far as buying ARJ's, there aren't any magically floating around. It's not like going to the store and buying them. They would need to be found. But this is all hear say at the company and granted its probably not the best information, deep down there is some probable truth about wanting more ARJs in some managers minds way up on top.

As far as looking at CRJ-700s, they still have to get rid of the clause in NW Pilots contract that the regionals can only have 36-69 seat planes. And the contract won't be done before the year is out. That and there isn't any promise that Mesaba is getting CRJs. Granted our management thinks that with controlling costs we'll be in excellent shape for them. (Kind of sick of hearing that, think they should stop giving themselves raises to help control costs)
 
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:10 am

The RJ situation at NW is something that will likely evolve over time.

NW has a boatload of 44 passenger CRJ's still on order. It is hard to believe that this order will be filled entirely of this type of aircraft. Many top analysts have agreed that the 35-50 seat RJ demand has flattened out. Obviously NW will want to get as many Saab routes upgraded to CRJ as soon as possible. Some routes simply can't support an RJ though. Then this turns into the whole DC-9 replacement which I really don't want to bring up here. Its highly unlikely that 44 seat RJ's will be able to make up the difference with the mainline fleet.

More RJ's will likely have to enter the picture at NW, assuming something changes with the scope clause. It is possible, that some of the outstanding CRJ order be converted into larger CRJ's -700 or -900. All of this depends on the scope clause and other factors. More ARJ's could be possible but that would also require changes in the scope clause. XJ will get something more at some point, possible whatever the next RJ will be.
 
northwestair
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:41 am

Just to let everyone know, We (NWA) CSA do not top out at 25.00 per hour it's more like 20.00 per hour. Just a FYI
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RE: XJ In PHL And EWR

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:31 pm

sorry Northwestair, I only make $10.40

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