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NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Fri Aug 29, 2003 1:19 pm

I remember reading ages ago that the Chinese Aviation Authority had been granted Air New Zealand fifth freedom rights between Hong Kong and London/Heathrow so as to provide better competition to CX. Can anyone confirm or deny this? Was it a mental aberration?
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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Fri Aug 29, 2003 2:56 pm

What do you mean, to provide better competition to CX? HKG/LHR is currently operated also by BA and VS...

But yes, I believe Air NZ does have the right to fly between HKG and LHR.
 
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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Fri Aug 29, 2003 7:40 pm

Yes they do. but ..............................

They cannot get landing rights and slot at LHR ! There have been talks with UK government, but why should they add competition to a sector flown by the big two UK airlines, and to a foreign company!

See the problem !

Interestingly I have heard that SAA have just been 'granted' two new morning slots at LHR. Obviously SAA has managed to persuade UK government where Air New Zealand has not yet been able to.







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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:30 pm




B-HXB

Whoa back off buddy, it wasn't me who said anything about a provision of more competition to CX, I was referring to an article I'd read about the Chinese Aviation Authority's (CAAC?) motivation. The former Crown Colony is now reunited with The Peoples' Republic and being the only non-state owned airline (Dragon is partially state owned), CX is a bit of a thorn in the side as its owners (Swire Group and ?) provide a better standard of airline than that of the mainland - further evidence of the success of market driven capitalism.

And in regard to current competition, remember that BA is part of an alliance with CX where they compliment each other's scheduling. oneWorld ring a bell? So oneWorld vs Virgin. And I bet if you knew the stats on traffic % for each carrier, you'd find that Cathay has the lions' share.


V2fix

Thanks for the info and intelligent comment.
If NZ could get that leg running, they'd be one of the few airlines to offer a true round-the-world network. Would be a great marketing tool and another good reason to fly NZ.


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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:45 am

Sorry, Motorhussy, that wasn't meant to be a confrontational comment, just a general "I'm not sure what you're getting at"  Smile No offense meant.

But I'm not sure how Air NZ are viewing such a proposal anyway. Right now they're only running 763s on the route, and not even daily. Contrast that to CX who are running 10 flights weekly on AKL/HKG, soon to be upped to 12 flights.

As for the traffic stats, it wouldn't surprise me given that CX operate 3 flights a day to London from HK and also the only daytime flight ex-HKG.
 
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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:39 pm

Thanks B-HXB

I think if NZ could get an extra daily slot at LHR, they'd start flying daily into HKG from AKL and on to LHR. CX do really well on the AKL - HKG route because of connections on to mainland China and Europe. NZ could then capitalise on this too. There's currently no Star Alliance partner on the HKG-LHR leg, one of the world's most sought after.

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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:33 pm

"And in regard to current competition, remember that BA is part of an alliance with CX where they compliment each other's scheduling. oneWorld ring a bell?"

Didn't think BA and CX code-shared on the LHR-HKG flights. On others, yes, but not this one. The schedules are hardly complimentary of each other - it only the afternoon Cathay flight from LHR that does not compete with a very similarly timed BA flight on the route. However, this is expected because they are no partnering on this route - only competing!
 
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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:54 pm

Nickofatlanta

Sorry, do you really think of that as competition between BA and CX, it looks more like regulation between the two carriers to me. While not actually codesharing, Virgin is who they're really competing with to maintain their market dominance.

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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:49 am

Just a thought (on this much talked about topic) but who is the body that gives permission for an airliner to fly a sector.

For the UK : UK Government (which ministry) or CAA
Slot Allocation at LHR : Presumably BAA (owners of LHR)

Anyone know the defintive answer.
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RE: NZ 5th Freedom Rights HKG - LHR?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:39 pm

Just a small clarification - NZ does not have permission to fly HKG-LHR from the British Government - it's not a problem with slots (although when we do get permission from the British end, I'm sure slots will become the next headache - although they are difficult, not impossible, to get!
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