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How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:36 pm

How is it to fly the LAX SYD flight with Qantas?
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:59 pm

I did it twice year before last...once on QF.
Insufferably long.
Your'e fatigued after 8 hours...
After 10 you're bored out of your mind and seen every movie...
After 12 you hate the airline, flight crew, and other passengers...and the g'day accent.
After 14, you actually want to open the door and jump out...

It rivals LAX-HKG in being horribly mundane.

And this is in Business Class. I cannot even fathom the idea of being in that back.

That being said, QF is great. There is just not a lot any f/a or flight crew can do to make it a enjoyable trip...
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:17 am

Yes, an exhausting flight regardless of the airline. Overall, I think Qantas is a decent airline.
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:22 am

Not terrible, I was in coach. They serve a dinner right after take off like 12 midnight, then it is pretty quiet and dark. You just mentally accept the fact that this trip will take a long time. I have done many 12 - 15 hour flights in the last few years in coach. It is not so bad. So long as you get an AISLE SEAT!
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qanta

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:29 am

We did a business class round trip a few years ago. Wasn't as bad as I thought it would be...in terms of length. Arrived more awake and with fewer aches than an overnight coach flight. Going to SYD business was less than half full on the main level. Left around 11:00 pm so dark all the way. Service and food was very good, once we were on the plane. IFE drawback was watching the same movie three times. The other choices weren't all that great. Economy was pretty full and didn't look like much fun. Coming back business was full and we were in a section between a galley and economy so carts were constantly going through. Service wasn't as good.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:31 am

It´s ok in coach.. As long as the seat besides you or even better - the whole row is empty as it was when I flew. Otherwise... ehhh... not as much fun, even though the f/a´s great  Smile
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:52 am

i know long flights are killingly painful to me. well does anyone know of first tho? i heard that business is okay!
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:33 am

I flew on QF 108 in mid June and it wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be. It was still a very longggg flight but knowing that I was on my first 744 always seemed to make me smile.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 5:48 am

Dc10@dfw has the right idea, you just need to be mentally prepared for a long flight. I've flown across the pacific 7 times now, 5 through the South Pacific to Australia (always in coach). Yeah it's a really long flight but you can just relax and not think about what time it is. You can even take comfort in knowing that you have no where to be and nothing to do for many hours.

The service on Qantas is pretty good (better than US airlines). I'm sure it's nicer now that they have PTVs on all their B744s in coach. My favorite airline is Air New Zealand and I think they do a great job trans-Pacific (even though they don't do LAX-SYD any more).

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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:22 am

have done it 3 times over the past 2 years (with 4 out of the past 6 flights having the PTV screens), and I can tell you that did make quite a bit of difference to pass the time. For the trip from LAX to SYD the whole trip is practically in darkness (so it was conducive to getting some sleep) the flight over to LAX I found the hardest. I guess it helps you if you you are sitting in economy to get any of the exit seats. Business class on QF will be better sometime next year they are fitted with their Business class seat.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:17 am

I'll second that fact that the PTV's..infact the whole quality of the IFE system on a trip of this length makes a huge difference.

QF f/a's seem to get a bad rap on the forum--and I'm not sure why. I've enjoyed talking to many of them on these trips and have gotten some great tips on where to eat, go clubbing, etc. On a 14 hour trip, it makes a difference. CX makes for good company as well..but on SQ you can't talk to the robotic stews (they aren't capable of forming sentences...).
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:22 pm

What's it like specifically with Qantas?

I've done the trip with QF many times over the years since before it was possible to go direct and apart from the length of time little has changed.
The flights always leave LAX in the late evening to arrive after curfew in Sydney in the morning, it's a very long night. In the past you saw a movie marathons of five movies in a row with other fillers in between and now there are PTV's so you can chose the programming to a degree and watch five movies. Personally I'm not a big fan of PTV's, after two movies I've had enough and just want to rip the bloody thing out and away from my face.
I do however like to see the progress of the flight on that moving map thing.

Other than that you get dinner about an hour into the flight, you get breakfast before you arrive and the fa's generally come around with water every hour or so but it's easy to miss them if you are trying to pretend to be sleeping.

In more recent times I've noticed QF has reduced the space available and I think this has to do with the slim line seats which due to them needing less room the seats are an inch closer together. I may be wrong it just feels that way. Having experienced other carriers I find I prefer to have a stop along the way and as such I'd go Air NZ or my next flight over there will be Air Pacific and hopefully on the top deck which FJ has in economy mode.
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:00 pm

I'm currently in the middle of my 6th trip to the US from Australia in 3 years. The flight isn't too great, but it's not too bad either.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qanta

Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:07 pm

I did the flight in Sept 02 with my sister. It was an horribly long flight. The FA's were very good, but they seemed to push the booze a little much at dinner. My sister, who had made the flight MANY times, told me that they like to help the passengers go to sleep. Hey, I don't blame them. 16 hours is a LONG time in a plane, and the more sleep you can get, the better. One thing I was happy about was the crew turned off every light they could, including the seatbelt and no smoking signs. The food is not great, but then, I was in coach. I'd bring something to "supplement" the meals. The wines are a,amazingly good. They're better than a lot of the wines that UA serves Int'l or Domestic. Every seat has PTV with video games. I was slightly annoyed with the controller and how easy it was to turn the channel when sitting.

Overall, the flights were good, but next time, I'm flying UA and upgrading my butt! Enjoy your flight and have a great time in Australia!
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:50 pm

I used to fly NZAA), New Zealand">AKL-LAX-LHR return at least 6 times a year - sometimes QF/BA or AA and sometimes NZ. Used to do mostly UA. 50-50 coach/business. Nowadays I go via Asia to avoid The appallingly unpleasant experience of the US security.

Yes, business makes a difference, but not a lot (for reasons see below). Yes the airlines are different, but once you have learnt the survival strategies not a lot. QF are OK, nothing special because I don't like their IFE. But I have always found cabin service good.

Here are my survival strategies for ultra long haul:

Refuse all meals on board

No alcohol or caffeine on board or within 6 hours of departure

Drink lots of water - Take your own to be independent of cabin service.


Window seat and controlled bowels - if there is any disturbing of others to be done I want to be the one doing it. Despite averaging 16-20 10hr+ trips a year I haven't used an aircraft toilet since 1996. Drinking water on board doesn't wnat to be excreted because of the dry air, but caffeine and alcohol want to get out fast.

Begin to adjust your sleep pattern for four days before the trip.

Don't force sleep. If awake movies or a book. If feeling sleepy the lift music or classical channels on the sound system.

Shoes off.

Hand luggage is my laptop only on ultra long haul. Then
I can relax about locker space and be the last to board.

Smile happily at every airline employee regardless of how you feel. On QF that alone sometimes gets you an upgrade.

Following these rules not only makes the journey seem OK, but I am also able to work in NZ until I go to the airport in the evening, and go straight to work from the airport when I get to London or Amsterdam.





 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:16 pm

Rongotai,
I could not agree with you more, The more I have tried the above recommendations it works.

To ERJ135,
I know Qantas was trailing a new time for one of it's LAX to SYD services occasionally throughout the past few months
It was leaving LAX about Midday and arriving the following evening into Sydney. Did any one fly on one of those flights at those times, or know the reasoning behind those times - I think those timings would have been great, but then again I didn't fly on them.

 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qanta

Sun Aug 31, 2003 3:27 pm

ERJ135-
The slimline seating effectivly INCREASES the legroom due to the seat design. However, I personally think the seats recline too far and thus create that cramped feeling. Also with the PTVs there it makes the bit behind the headrest a bit thicker...
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:04 pm

I agree the slimline seats should increase the legroom, but only if the new seats are placed exactly where the old ones were. I get the feeling the seats were placed a notch closer perhaps to fit in a few extra rows but the PTV installation could well be the reason. I do notice however that Air New Zealands Slimline seats offer far more room, but again they don't have PTV's.

No I've never been lucky enough to have a daylight flight and I would much rather have one, leaving LAX around midday would arrive about 9.00pm so I could go home and straight to bed and fresh the next day. Much more civilized than trying to sleep for an incredibly long night.
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 6:20 pm

Its going to be a long flight. Some have made some good suggestions I would also add that getting hold of some ear plugs would also be good, cuts out the noise so you can get some sleep.
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:05 pm

I'm sure you COULD talk to a flight attendant on Singapore Airlines Limited, a member of Star Alliance. It's just a matter of getting up, walking over to the jumpseat and INITIATING the conversation. Or... sometimes the f/as (on KLM, SU) will initiate the conversation  Big grin
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qanta

Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:00 pm

L O N G

but not as long as LAX to MLB.



come visit the south pacific
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:11 pm

No...actually those lovely Singapore Girls are hired for looks....and not brains. They don't even know much about Singapore itself--try it--ask them for a restaurant reference. Possibly they have been told not to do this (???)

I needed a tailor desperately in Sinpapore two years back, a CX f/a not only gave the name of three tailors, but also tips on how to negotiate price, best places for shopping, etc...

Just seems a bit strange Cathay is more accomodating and knowledgable about Singapore than SQ.....
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:25 pm

My friend and I made a spotting trip to SYD and he flew Qantas 744ER both ways. His experiences is as follows. The aircraft is nice and new. The Y-Class seat and entertainment is up to standard and superb but in-flight service from cabin crew (Human Factor) is rude and terrible both ways. Flight attendants are very defensive and reponse to passengers in an un-kind ways. One of the many examples ' One lady asked for a blanket after dinner and flight attendant asked why didn't you picked one up before seating at boarding?' I thought the general understanding of FA job is to make passenger feel as comfortable during any lenght of flight as much as possible. Another example: FA bumps my friends head, arms and or shoulder 'countless times' during his in-flight sleep while walking carelessly up and down the ailse. No single sorries or apologies are effortly made. How could a FA walk and bump a person so hard to wake him or her up and not feel that impact and not turn around to either apologize or see if the passenger needs anything. Even a commoners in places such as Malls, crowded area or street bumps into each other still have to decency to apologize in both directions.

This may be an isolated incidents for both of his round-trips but once too many FA rudeness is too many for any number of leg trips. I have come to expect Qantas FA to have better service (Human Factor) and friendiless as I have come to respect the outstanding friendliness of the people of Australia.

Sincerely,

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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:12 am

hMM...HELPS A LOT. i was thinking of flying to london then to sydney? is that a good one
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:44 am

I imagine your complaints about F/A's are probably isolated incidents, I have generally found the cabin crew on Qantas to be excellent, and lately they are far better than a few years ago. I generally get an exit row seat and the F/A's sitting opposite have always started a conversation with me and have always been genuinely nice people, talking because they care rather than because it is good service.

And in response to Rongotai, the advice to sit in a window seat and not get up or use the toilet is VERY bad advice. You should always get up and move around a bit on flights, ESPECIALLY on such a long flight. Even healthy people are at risk of a blood clot or DVT if you sit in exactly the same spot for 15 hours.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:55 am

Hi PER744

I should have said that I do all those in seat exercises regularly. I am surrounded by relatives who are doctors and none of them especially like the 'get up and move around' advice - but they DO emphaise the in seat exercise regime.

My father had a DVT experience in 1959 so I have been hyper aware since I started flying long haul regularly in 1968. I have been doing in seat exercises recommended by my medical relatives since then. I used to get up and move around regularly, but it is such a mood breaker when you have achieved that optimal trance like state that helps so much on ultra long haul. Ironically I walk around more on shorter haul flights.

However, you were quite correct to pull me up for not talking about this issue. Getting up and walking around is good. It's just that there are alternative management regimes. Horses for courses, really.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 9:41 am

LOOOOOOONGGGGG!!!!

Sleep for 4 hours. Wake up. Still have about 10 more to go. Watch bits and pieces of a movie, and then fall back to sleep. Wake up after a time and realize still have 5 or 6 hours left of flighttime.

Dc10@dfw is right. Choose aisle seat, especially in the middle section in the rear of the plane. Most likely if it's not a full flight, you'll get the whole row of 4 seats to yourself to strectch out and fall asleep.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:22 pm

I took 2 QANTAS deliveries in the early nineties from YVR - SYD which were the longest I have taken of all my travels, all I can say is this... Can we do this in the daytime where at least I can watch the beautiful blue Pacific Ocean pass beneath me? (Yes, I know there is a daytimer.)

When arriving near the Aussie coast at 0500 and you see the lights of Newcastle... YES! There is a God!

Just imagine sitting in your family room in front of the t.v for 15 hours straight, and not moving! From 2200 hrs to 1300 hrs the next day... NO SUNRISE!

That's about it...
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:54 pm

Yes, alohaguy, but at the right time of year there is pure magic in ending that long droning night with a sunrise descent into Auckland across the Coromandel peninsula and the islands of the Hauraki Gulf. Kind of more so if it means arriving home!! I take the window seat for that alone
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:07 pm

Syd/Mel-LA a long flight, but Qantas & BA also do Syd/Mel-London direct (as per their bookings website)?

If so, & someone out there has done it, could you share this with us?

I'd be interested to hear.
8hrs is my longest flight.

cheers

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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:28 pm

All flights from SYD/MEL to LHR stops somewhere, most likely SIN or BKK. The only non-stop LHR-SYd I've ever heard of, was when QF introduced the 744 on the Kangaroo route. The aircraft was basically towed to the holding point of the runway, started its engines there and took off with very few people on board.
 
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RE: How Is It To Fly The LAX SYD Flight With Qantas?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:33 pm

The flight you are referring to CPH-R was the following:

VH-OJA on it's delivery flight to Sydney was indeed towed to 27R @ Heathrow where it's engines were started then to conserve fuel for the planned non-stop flight.

The aircraft flew non-stop covering 18,001 KM's in 20 hours, 9 minutes and 5 seconds touching down at SYD with a technical crew of 23.

The aircraft reached a maximum height of 45,000 feet, averaged 893.3 kilometers an hour and used 177 tonnes of fuel.

On arrival at SYD, the aircraft was christened "City of Canberra" by the wife of the Prime Minister.

On that day, the flight was a world non-stop distance record.

Since that day, the record was broken with Airbus aircraft flying a number of technical and delivery operations throughout the world.

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