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AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 2:27 am

Sorry if these have been mentioned. Just got back from out of town. MIA-CVG weekend ERJ service starts 4Nov03. DFW-PVD daily MD80 service starts 31Jan04.
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 7:04 am

This is seen already on the those post while ago and it was on the another message boards. Thanks, MAH4546!  Smile
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:23 am

MAH4546:

FYI: PVD-DFW starts 11/1/03 and MIA-CVG starts 10/4/03. Just thought I'd let ya know!!
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:28 am

PVD757, thanks for the corrections. However, apparently DFW-PVD may be pushed backed to the end of January, though its still in the scheds.

Though when are they going to do MIA-PVD? Providence is the largest O&D market from Miami not served non-stop. Over 700 people a day! You'd think with AA adding CMH, CVG, IND, MSP, and PIT since July, PVD could work its way in there. Maybe soon...
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 8:41 am

Good news for PVD. DFW should work well for west coast connections. AA seems to be very interested in strengthening their MIA hub, I bet PVD along with inevitably MCI will be coming along soon. CMH, CVG, MSP, IND, and PIT will add good feed in to the Latin/ South American flights.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 11:12 am

The flights are timed mainly for cruise ship passengers and Caribbean connections. Most LatAm connections require a very long layover, though AA is adding a third MIA-GRU frequency that will operate during the daylight starting 15 December. It will be the only daylight service between the US and deep South America.

These five destinations are only the beginning of AA's domestic expansion at MIA, which began last December with Charlotte and Las Vegas. Supposedly, Kansas City and Phoenix may be ready for the summer. As far as Eagle goes, it is anybody's guess where they go, but I think Greensboro has a good shot at becoming the only AEagle RJ city served daily from MIA.

Also, on a side note, American Airlines was going to replace all American Eagle service on MIA-PIT with mainline effective 01Nov03. Mainline will still go in as planned (daily M80), but Eagle will still operate MIA-PIT with one flight a week on Saturdays.

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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:31 pm

WOW did not know the day trip to GRU was coming back.. That is good to hear... Alot of the MIA expansion is limited because of the airport. It is a mess right now, and gate space is tight..
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 12:34 pm

Alot of the MIA expansion is limited because of the airport. It is a mess right now, and gate space is tight..

Yup, but more domestic and RJ space opens with the Concourse D extension on 15 November.
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:14 pm

Yes I know, if it opens then, I will believe it when I see it.....
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 1:19 pm

All signs here at PVD show the DFW service to start 11/1/03, I certainly hope they don't push it back til Jan. The AA folks at this station (Mgr.) say(s) 11/1/03, who knows??? AA just loaded the sked in Sabre this past Sunday and it just appeared on AA's "New service routes" section of thier website, so I'd bet on Nov. As far as MIA service, word is AA knows the numbers between here and MIA (and "beyond" service thru MIA), so methinks its only a matter of time. Prior to this past announcement, I was told PVD was the largest O&D pair without N/S service to MIA, DFW, and STL. Seems only logical we get what's due for service. Also, an AA agent that used to work here in PVD (now in MIA) was told AA would be adding service to 8 cities from MIA and she confirmed PVD was one of them. After CVG, MSP, PIT, CMH, IND - that leaves PVD and 2 others! I'll be watching for that announcement!! Hopefully it will be soon.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Sun Aug 31, 2003 10:31 pm

Does Eagle still run the station at PVD, PVD757?
The station general manager still have initials M.M.?
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:17 am

Well here is a list of the next cities that I think AA will add to MIA soon
American mainline


(do not be surprised to see AA reintroduce the flight or maybe an AE rj?)
4.SAN
5.MCI
all of this makes sense to me especially if AA expands aggressivley out west.I mean someone going to South America will more than likely opt to go on CO from SAN-IAH-PTY rather than AA's SAN-DFW-MIA-PTY
I did not mention SEA since AS serves the route but AA will bring this one back in due time IMO.
American Eagle regional jet cities???
1.BHM
2.JAX (AA or AE needs to upgrade this route I know that the yeilds are low but to better compete with WN at FLL AA should consider mainline or rj.
3.MEM
4.GSO
5.NOR
6.TLH
just my list of the next AA and AE moves.If you remember the renderings of the AS / Naval Bases Ventura County (NTD / KNTD), USA - California">NTD the AE terminal has a lot of gates 26 if I am correct, so AE must plan on adding a slew of cities out of MIA.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:22 am

would be nice to see SAN come back to MIA. I cannot believe it ever left, it was always full..
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:40 am

Sorry about that I deleted the first 3 cities by mistake they were PHX,PVD,and AUS was the city that could also be reintroduced by AA mainline or an AE rj.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:18 am

MIA-SAN can probably perform a whole lot better now that they have 738s.

All those destinations seem reasonable. As do Richmond/RIC and Louisville/SDF. And seeing how AA loves XNA so much, I actually would not rule out a weekend RJ to Northwest Arkansas (a long shot, but not impossible).

Internationally, Valencia/VLN is a go. It was going to be launched in 2002, but the Veneuzlan economy hit huge problems, but traffic to Veneuzla is once again excellent. Two other destinations that are possible are Georgetown/GEO and Manaus/MAO. AA was going to launch both with 738s back in 1999, but economic problems stopped the launch. I also would not rule out flights to ASU and CNF becoming non-stops instead of via GRU on certain days of the week. Loads are excellent on both, and the new two-class 763s help solve the yield issues. The return of Frankfurt/FRA, now that they have the 2-class 763s, is something I would not rule out as well. And if Miami lands the FTAA, MIA-BRU would be a gold mine with political traffic. Some other smart choices include the returns of St. Lucia/SLU, Grenada/GND, Cozumel/CZM, and Antigua/ANU. USAirways offers these connections from thier PHL and/or CLT hubs, and has an upperhand by offering non-stops from the mainland. They don't need to be daily...just a weekend service would do great. Oh yeah, and Ottawa/YOW would probably do very nicely.



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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:24 am

I wouldn't bet on a weekend flight to XNA.... that market is almost purely business travel. Eagle's LGA and LAX non-stops don't even run on the weekend from Fayetteville. Perhaps a weekday frequency for business traffic.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:36 am

Yeah, I wouldn't bet it on it either, but it would be nice. Hey, those Wal*Mart folks need to vacation.
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:48 am

"Some other smart choices include the returns of St. Lucia/SLU, Grenada/GND, Cozumel/CZM, and Antigua/ANU. USAirways offers these connections from thier PHL and/or CLT hubs"

So does CO from EWR and IAH,

St.Lucia is a weekly CO charter from EWR, Cozumel is twice daily from IAH and daily from EWR during the Winter.

CO flies to Antigue from EWR via SXM.
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:56 am

Yeah, I wouldn't bet it on it either, but it would be nice. Hey, those Wal*Mart folks need to vacation.

But as Wal-Mart continues to take over the world, they will need quick and easy connections to travel around it on business.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:33 am

N951U,

The AA station here at PVD has always been run by AA mainline. In the 80's it was all AA mainline (ramp, ops, baggage, gate, and check-in). In the late 80's/early 90's I believe, the ramp (only) was outsourced to AMR (now WFS). AA mainline continued to do all "inside" functions for all AA and Eagle flights. After the BEX purchase, those employees became Eagle which ran thier own ops, gate, and ramp (seperate from AA mainline) and AA mainline continued to do check-in and baggage for all flights (AA and Eagle) and did it's own gate. (confused yet???!!) Anyway, after Eagle pulled all flights here in April, they (and M.M., whom I know very well) were laid-off or transfered, leaving AA mainline (all "inside" functions) and WFS doing ramp only. sorry for the lengthy reply, but as you see it's been a bit of "musical responsibilities" here for a few years now.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:41 am

Is AA retaining their 4 frequencies a day to ORD, as well? So with the NON-STOP DFW, there will now be 5 daily AA mainline flights out of PVD? They should use a 738 or even a 757 on that new DFW run. With MD-80 equipment, when the alternate runway 16/34 is in use at PVD, you can pretty much count on weight restrictions due to that runway's short length, 6,081 feet. Glad to see PVD may also finally be getting a long overdue MIA NON-STOP! OR any NON-STOP to a South Florida airport, for that matter! Encouraging news for PVD!
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:56 am

AA is keeping the 4 MD-80s to ORD. The DFW flight is entirely new. As for using MD-80 equipment, I think it might have to do with the fact that the 738s may be better utilised elsewhere right now. I am not that famaliar with the AA route network, but I would think those 738s are better suited to west coast runs from the east coast (BOS, JFK, MIA) out west, as well as ORD-West Coast flights. The MD-80 seems the right fit for these flights, and while 16/34 could be an issue, a crosswind takeoff could always be possible.

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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:27 pm

DeltAirlines is very correct, the weight issues should be kept to a minimum during the cooler fall/winter/spring months, and during the summer, we typically don't get very high winds that would severely restrict a crosswind takeoff on 5/23 (7166ft), in fact the winds favor rwy 23 a very high % of the time. The 4 freq. to ORD are in deed staying and I just found out yesterday that UA is keeping it's 5th ORD frequency at least thru the end of the year. This flight is usually added seasonally and taken away in sept. Don't be confused, I'd love to see a 738 or 757, but that would be a little greedy, we're thrilled just to get the DFW MD80 flight!
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:31 pm

M.M. is still at PVD...she is the new designated training coordinator for the eastern region, overseeing 2 trainers at the current time. Out of the 13 Eagle employees at PVD (12 at the time of closing) 4 txfrd to BOS and 1 now works for WFS at PVD. The remaining (including myself) went on unemployment.

I was looking at a map today, and it dawned on me just how far DFW is from PVD when you have a Super-80 operating from less than 7,200. I'm not entirely worried yet cuz the flight is starting during the winter season when temperatures are nice and cool, so density altitude isn't that much of a concern, especially with those famous nor-easters blowing down the long side of runway 5. But what about the summer time? Most of the time the wind is out of the south-southwest so 23 is active, but there are times when it's more ESE and SE, so 16 is in operation. As "DeltAirlines" previously mentioned x/wind takeoffs are always a possibility, but it concerns me thinking about anything that would upset the popularity of these flights, primarily being due to weight-restrictions. Then I remembered last July I was on a Super-80 from LGA-DFW on my way to MTY and while New York has a 150nm or so advantage over Rhode Island, it's not a whole lot in the grand-scheme of things. After all, the 166ft of extra TODA at PVD may be enough to offset the distance imbalance and equal everything out for all I know. I don't know what the accel-stop performance data looks like for AA's MD-80s on any given day, so I'm just theorizing.

But anyway, after all this rambling, basically all I wanna know is if anyone has flown that route or maybe BOS-DFW on a Super-80 off R-9/27 (7000 as well), or maybe more importantly worked those flights. As I remember, my flight was reasonably full and the takeoff was like most MD-80 takeoffs (powerful, but long and drawn-out). Any recollections?
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:51 pm

Hey Mikeycpvd,

Remember also that the "more room throughout coach" initiative plays into our advantage too (was 139?, now 129 seats). 10 less seats + 10 less pax + 10 less pax cargo = summertime departures from rwy 23 (PVD ATC never even makes 16 active due to the weight issues in the summer/too many requests for 23 by the "heavies") with little or no weight restrictions. Your LGA comparison is proof positive that it should work fine. AA could take the handful of pax going thru DFW at 0708 (connx pax perhaps) that even stand a chance of being "bumped" due to weight restrictions and reroute them thru ORD at 0600 or 0940. I doubt they would add the service without looking into the numbers...
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:08 pm

Well they clearly looked at the numbers, and I'm fully aware of that. AA took eons to finally give us the flight, so I don't doubt they did their homework. I'm talking about other things like weather delays where they need to load up on fuel to account for 1 or more alternates. You know, all that contigency crap. Also AA had MRTC for quite a while now, not just between this summer and last (had to have been for them to have most if not all the entire fleet done, only to flip it and pile on extra seats on the 757s and Airbuses). My LGA flights last summer was on an MRTC Super 80, and I specifically remembered being 6'1'' and really really comfortable for 3.5 hours with my bistro bag in the cheap seats. Also the FAA increased all the average weights of passengers by 10 pounds recently. I don't remember when, but read about it on Jetnet before i was laid off, and my last day of work was May 30. It might already be in effect now. Summertime fatties  Wink/being sarcastic now weigh in at 180.
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:19 pm

I don't disagree with you at all, however the flight is coming, we finally got it after 12 years of rumors and "close calls." Maybe the summertime sked will show a 738 instead, not like the summer loads won't fill the few extra seats in the 738 vs. the S80.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:57 pm

Any talk of UA adding DEN from PVD? Is AirTran looking at returning to PVD? Just curious.
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:33 pm

All the 737-800s are based out of Miami and Chicago O'Hare. None are based in Dallas. The 738 routes out of DFW are few and inbetween, because at the end of the rotation the planes somehow need to get to O'Hare or Miami. Dallas has only 14 daily 737-800s flights right now, flying on routings like DFW-IAD-MIA. Dallas does also does not even have any 737-800s pilots based there. There are 738 bases in Miami, Chicago, Boston, and I think one other city.

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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:53 pm

MAH4546, thats good info, didn't know that, so the S80 will have to suffice until something else gives...again, just glad to get the service.

John, no solid leads on DEN on UA; however, I was speaking to the new UA station Mgr. the other day and he is going to push for it. That has been a "PVD rumor" almost as long as AA going to MIA and DFW (and we finally got DFW) so who knows...
Airtran hasn't been to PVD except a few diverts into BOS since 1996. As an old AA guy, we used to ground handle their 732 flight (1 daily) to MCO. As you know, this was before the Valujet merger and they outright told us when they left that wanted nothing to do with WN (who started service here in OCT 1996). Soon after, we had 3 DLX 732's and 2 WN N/S from PVD to MCO and DL started to boost ATL service. I'd say PVD is on the lower end of Airtran's "radar screen," as they seem to be concentrating on transcon stuff and "connecting the dots."
 
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RE: AA New Routes: DFW-PVD, MIA-CVG

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:03 pm

The Dallas B737-800 base is coming, on the international side first I believe. It won't be too much longer.

But MAH is correct about the rotations working back to Miami or Chicago in the end.... like MIA-IAH-DFW-GUA-DFW-IAH-MIA type thing is a good example.