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Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:42 am

This morning (31 August), a US 767 performed a safe diversion to SNN, while en route from PHL to Dublin. The aircraft, with 197 pax and 10 crew experienced a fire on board and the forward cabin filled with smoke; details are sketchy, but the problem is believed to have been an electrical fault. The plane landed safely at Shannon Airport, although it's understood that the aircraft descended to FL100 so that the crew could open cockpit windows (!?) and let the smoke blow out.

Thankfully, no serious injuries or illnesses, although no doubt the crew and pax got a nasty fright.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:45 am

At least everyone's ok, could have been a lot worse.

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:49 am

Good Idea to perform smoke and fume elimination procedures. This should be training for cabin crews as well.
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:52 am

This should be training for cabin crews as well.

It is (assuming of course that their training follows the Boeing manuals).
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:53 am

it's understood that the aircraft descended to FL100 so that the crew could open cockpit windows (!?) and let the smoke blow out.

That sounds a little disconcerting to say the least!
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:57 am

I'd rather have the windows open and be able to see.. otherwise it'd mean sitting in smoke not being able to see a thing Laugh out loud

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 3:59 am

This may be a tech/ops question, but how exactly does one open a window on a 762 in flight?

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:19 am

If you are low enough, the pressue is usually not great enough to prevent it..

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:31 am

"This may be a tech/ops question, but how exactly does one open a window on a 762 in flight?"

Descend to 10,000 feet, depressurize the aircraft, then unlock the window and crank it aft to the open position.

Note: Only the clearview (side) windows are able to open/close.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:31 am

Whatever the problem, they must've fixed it and ferried the plane to DUB. Currently, US 307 is on its way to PHL about 4.5 hrs late. It departed at 5:58 Dublin time and will arrive in PHL at 8:07.

The plane is then scheduled to return to SNN as US 70, departing 1hr late at 9:30PM.

 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 4:52 am

...the aircraft descended to FL100 so that the crew could open cockpit windows (!?) and let the smoke blow out
Does that mean that they flew backwards? Because otherwise the air would blow into the plane rather then the smoke getting sucked out.
But how did the smoke get into the cabin with the door more then sealed?

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:13 am

I heard United Airlines trains their flight attendants to use belts and seatbelt extentions and strap them between door assist handles (as a barrier) and crack open doors below FL100 on the B747s on long over water flights should it be necessary to vent smoke and fumes during an inflight fire since landing on water is a last option...... is this true and/or possible??
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:26 am

Wow that must have been quite a storm in the cockpit.
My car doesn't go 200mph, and even if it did, I wouldn't open the windows unless I'm forced to.

Max, I assume the smoke was spread via the aircon ducts.
(Compare to how the fire spread on SR111)

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:29 am

Gotta love the way US Airways handles emergencys  Smile.... I'd fly with them on the 767 anytime!
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:31 am

this is the second or third (safe) emergency of this sort since the Ireland service began earlier this year...

On another PHL-DUB flight, an engine went out and the plane safely returned to Halifax.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 6:57 am

I heard United Airlines trains their flight attendants to use belts and seatbelt extentions and strap them between door assist handles (as a barrier) and crack open doors below FL100 on the B747s on long over water flights should it be necessary to vent smoke and fumes during an inflight fire since landing on water is a last option...... is this true and/or possible??

Again, I can't speak for UAL specifically, but that is a Boeing reccomended procedure that is noted in the 747 training manual so I have no doubt that they do indeed teach it.
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:16 am

On the 747 you open doors 2 and 4 on one side of the aircraft and apparently it works very efficiently in sucking out the air. The gap opened is no more than a couple of inches and is actually quite difficult to open more than that due to the air pressure.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:21 am

Strangely enough, the flight departed PHL about 3 hours late, due to maintenance issues.

[Edited 2003-09-01 03:22:17]
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:34 am

It sounds like the crew handled the situation very well. What was the flight number?
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:50 am

Those 767s are getting TIRED! US Airways flys the shit out of 'em! The 332 fleet can't come soon enough! Until then, perhaps US should consider leasing more wide body equip in the interim, they could certainly use them, even on some domestic runs.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:56 am

What was the flight number from PHL to DUB?
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:00 am

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:00 pm

I drove by Bradley Airport in CT on Saturday and there was a USAirways A330 and a 767 sitting on the ramp. I sat and watched for a few minutes, then they taxied to the runway and took off, within a couple minutes of each other.

Any idea what they were doing there?
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:16 pm

Saturday was a bad day for US Airways on the transatlantic front.

US 27 (CDG-PHL, A330) was diverted to BDL.
US 307 (DUB-PHL, 767) was diverted to BDL.
US 43 (AMS-PHL, 767) was diverted to RIC.
US 15 (MUC-PHL, 767) was cancelled.
US 49 (CDG-PHL, 767) was cancelled.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:23 pm

US is indeed considering acquiring 332s from Swiss in the interim. They line up perfectly as the US fleet is PW powered.

I wonder why US chose PW to power their 332s? They have a GE powered 767 fleet, RR powered 757s, and a CFM powered fleet of narrowbodies.

One would have thought they'd go with GE on this one.

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:25 pm

The 333's are PW-powered.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:27 pm

Yeah I really meant to just say A330s... I was aware that the 333s were also PW powered.

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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:29 pm

I am glad that nobldy was hurt and the 767-200 is still okay. I really would like to do a 767-200 flight before those planes are taken from Service. I was unaware that on a 747 that you can open doors in-flight. I was told that it was impossible at any altitude.
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:30 pm

That sure was a bad day! There must have been a lot of unhappy passengers.



 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Mon Sep 01, 2003 5:00 pm

The original US 767s are leftovers from the Piedmont days. That is probably the reason for the GE engines.
 
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RE: Serious US Airways 767 Incident At SNN

Tue Sep 02, 2003 12:21 am

Philly had some really bad t-storms that day.