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Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:51 am


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I have never seen this type of pic before. How come these 2 are headed the same direction?
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 7:59 am

Not to be a smart ass, but I believe they are headed in the same direction because their destinations are in similiar directions. I would assume they are in an airway to Europe or North America since they over the Atlantic.
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:21 am

Yeah... my only question is how such a pic is possible..

How does someone take this pic??? It would have to be from a fighter or something, because there is no physical way to shoot directly up like this from a coach seat of a 341, 762, 742, or anything else that happens to be traversing the busy airspace between Nova Scotia and Ireland. The shot also couldn't have been taken during an ascent, because, well, they are at separation minimums as it is.
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:25 am

There are hundreds of pics like that in the database... they use extremely long zooms.
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:26 am

Try contacting the photographer.
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:26 am

Good question thanks for posting, i was thinking this same thing....

 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 8:29 am

This type of thing often happens over the north atlantic. Hundreds of flights going on 6 different tracks in a few hours of the day lines planes up very well! With RVSM (Reduced Vertical Separation Minima), aircraft can be as close as 1000' apart over the ocean. They could fly on top of one another like that picture for hours if there mach speed is the same. It looks really neat from the plane to look out and see that.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:49 am

There are hundreds of pics like that in the database... they use extremely long zooms.

He was below them in another aircraft. Just hard to believe he nailed 2 777's from the same airline like that...pretty cool though.
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 10:58 am

Maybe it was an arranged publicity shot?
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:30 pm

I am curious what the photographer is in.
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:52 pm

Something tells me that the photographer may have been in....

the cockpit.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 2:40 pm

I agree...it has got to be a cockpit shot. the windows are bigger than passenger windows.


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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:20 am

Yeah... I guess that works, that it would be from the cockpit.. and then you would also know where to look for the planes just by looking at the traffic screen.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:28 am

And you all know what, the photographer did not even have to be in a 777 cockpit. You know, the MD11 has much, much larger glasses on the front end .....

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:34 am

No, you're all wrong. It was in formation. Every Sunday morning, all the CO employees line up outside 1600 Smith St. and 3 or 4 777s fly over in formation as Gordon Bethune and all the CO admin employees stand outside watching.

Delta does soemthing similar, except they do it on Friday afternoons and of course they're lined up along Virginia Ave. in Atlanta. Here's a picture of N864DA taken from another Delta 777 during their formation flyby:


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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:42 am

This was most likely taken on the North Atlantic tracks, westbound (since it is daylight), and is not a totally unusual scene, although catching two at the same time is somewhat rare. Several things are worthy of note. First, it was almost certainly taken from the cockpit. I can say this because I have taken a few like this from the cockpit of my 767. Second, it showcases the remarkable accuracy of modern Inertial and GPS navigation systems. All three planes are within a few lateral feet of each other!
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:14 am

Definitely flight crew I would say, not only because of the windows, but also he knows the flight levels. But I'd be surprised if it was taken from a THIRD Continental 777, more likely the photographer was the navigator in this thing whilst in a steep climb Big grin


 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:10 am

Maybe it was an arranged publicity shot?

Publicizing what? How beautiful the bellies of their airplanes are?
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:18 am

DeltaSFO-

You're joking right?

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:00 am

No he's not joking. I've seen them do it!
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:13 am

Heh they do fly formations occasionally...

...but these shots are all at FL 370 or higher above the North Atlantic. None of them were taken from a formation, nor do any of these airlines do a weekly formation flight, certainly not on a Friday afternoon.

So I was trying to get in on his humor... but if he wasn't joking, I also have two unique overwater roadways and a seaside condo in Tucson to sell him.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:31 am

I believe that this happens all the time being the airways to Europe are filled each day, but studying the picture for some time in Adobe I think it is the same plane at both locations. If you take the smaller plane and blow it up to the same size the contrails match very well. The blue on both tails are nearly the same shade. Wouldn't a plane that is smaller and farther be a darker blue? Also if the plane was higher the shadow on the belly of the body should be different not the same. The only color difference I could find was on the wings and that's the one bit that makes me believe it is two different planes. I really don't care to argue if it is real or not, but these are my findings for you to make your own decision.
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:30 pm

No I'm really serious. Here's a picture from what happens every time one of the Delta 777s lands in ATL after the Friday afternoon formation flight.


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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:57 pm

DeltaSFO,

The pic's caption says it was taekn from 35,000 ft over the Atlantic. This was OBVIOUSLY not a "formation flight". I dont know WHERE you get your info from, unless you are accusing the photographer of lying.

Joe's picture was also not a formation flight form what I understand.

I dont even know what to say that would not sound insulting, so I'll stop now.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 1:59 pm

All of that stuff is lies.

Also, I heard from a flight attendant that they're going to do a really special formation flight with all 8 777s over Turner Field if the Braves make it to the World Series this year.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 2:51 pm

Accusing esteemed photographer Joe Pries of lying. Right.

We need drug screening for anet members, for real.
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 3:43 pm

Yeah, we need drug screening. Just not for me.
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:38 pm

I have many great shots that I have taken while I have been up in the cockpit. None are "formation" flights. It IS unusual to get three a/c at the same time like that, but it does happen. As mentioned before, there are 6 tracks across the Atlantic. At any given point you can have as many as 3 a/c stacked with the minimum 1000 foot separation.

I have taken pix with one a/c either above or below us. As far as both being 777 for CO, so what, CO flies a lot of 777 to Europe. That would be like being surprised to see 2 744 for NW at once over the Pacific. If anyone ever got the camera out, you can see a number of our 744 going to Japan because they all leave at times that have them separated by only minutes. Out of DTW you get 11/85/71 and 69 and then you have 17 from JFK that falls in line.. and others.....

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:57 pm

DeltaSFO,

The Delta 777 receiving the water cannon salute is on delivery, since it was the first DL 777 to be delivered, and this was being noted by the salute. Nothing to do with 'regular treatment.'

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:11 am

Wow, some of you guys are really dense.
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:50 am

hahaha DeltaSFO!!

People on this site really need a sense of humor...

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:53 am

LOL - nobody appreciates sardonic wit these days. Some of you guys just won the gullibility award big-time.
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:17 am

LOL...I got a bridge I'd like to sell some of you guys too!
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 1:21 am

Geez Delta, you almost had them in the boat and you let them get away.
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:10 am

Part of me thought for a VERY brief second that he was joking, but then I realized that there was nothing funny about it. Not that it was offensive, there wasn't any humor. Nothing that even could have been perceived as funny, or evne a joke. No irony or anything. Just something that sounded like a wrong fact.

WHOA! You said something that was ksit incorrect and almost tricked us!

I think YOU need the sense of humor.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 10:53 am

Guys, I didn't mean to start a debate over drug screening and crap. I was just asking if this was normal. I've never seen it before, so I came to ask the professionals, but some of you aren't acting like professionals. Please calm down. The last thing we need is a bunch of guys (or gals) fighting over the same hobby.
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:45 pm

Hey I figured it out!

The photographer took the pic in the cockpit looking up from a Delta 777, to see two Continental 777s flying! I got it! Actually, no I didn't, it was just a mix of everything everybody said.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:40 am

Part of me thought for a VERY brief second that he was joking, but then I realized that there was nothing funny about it. Not that it was offensive, there wasn't any humor. Nothing that even could have been perceived as funny, or evne a joke. No irony or anything. Just something that sounded like a wrong fact.

WHOA! You said something that was ksit incorrect and almost tricked us!

I think YOU need the sense of humor.


It's natural that you don't see the humor in this. After all, the laugh's on you.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:03 am

You people are sick. You thought he was serious about the water cannon thing and the formation comment? Hole-ee-crap.  Big thumbs up
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 10:06 am

I thought it was funny...

It seems more like an airline employee's sense of humor though.

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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:26 pm

HA! So the vertical separation minimum over the North Atlantic is 1000 feet now, eh? I worked on statistical analysis of such a move at Transport Canada in 1992 and wondered if it ever came about! Thanks, GoBoeing!

DeltaSFO, you had me going for a minute, and pissed that I missed the formation flights near ATL on my trips there! Ha!  Smile
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 2:38 pm

I'd only find DeltaSFOs "joke" funny if people fell for it, but most people were not convinces that what he was saying was true, they just thought he was serious and wrong....
 
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RE: Continental 777s In Formation?

Thu Sep 04, 2003 3:37 pm

 Big thumbs up DeltaSFO...nice. This explains why the airlines, in general, are doing so poorly financially. I can't believe people actually fell for it.

Another reason why this type of thing is not rare is because of the way the hub-and-spoke system is set up. More than likely these two CAL 777s are both traveling westbound to say, EWR, arriving during the same inbound bank. This is why they would be so close together. Try looking at FBOWEB.com at the inbound Heavies coming over the pond in the early afternoon. They're pretty damn close.

Cheers,
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