GARUDAROD
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Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:29 am


In the lastest issue of Flight International in their
World Airliner Census, the following airlines are shown to operate B747s

Spirit of Africa 1 B747-200
Air Philippines 3 B747-200
Ariana Afghan 2 B747-200
Air Plus Comet 1 B747-200
KinshasaAirways 1 B747SP

My question is, I have never heard of these airlines operating B747s.
Has anyone seen any of the above aircraft and where do they
operate to?
Any help on this matter would be appreciated.

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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:33 am

Ariana Afghan operates the 742s as Hadji flights to Mecca
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:37 am

Air Philippines operating 3 742s?! Ok either thats wrong or I seriously missed out on one big thing cause all I know Air Philippines operates/had operated 737s and YS-11s but don't recall any other aircraft in their fleet.........let alone a widebody.
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:38 am


Copa,

Doesn't Ariana lease in the aircraft for the HAJJ flights,like most other
Muslim nations? I get the impression from the census that these
planes would be owned/operated by Ariana. I know they just got
a few A300s, but have not heard of them operating B747 on their own.
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:39 am

yeah, garudarod, they are leased. the A300s fly to frankfurt and karachi i think. they fly 727s too
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:41 am


N751PR

My point exactly. Ive never known those airlines to operate B747.
Now Flight International is one of the most respected aviation magazines
in existence, so I dont think they would go about printing half truths
unless there was some viable proof. As you say 3 B747s by Air
Philippines would be very Big.
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:44 am

didnt spirit of africa go broke? i think they operated to west africa from southeast africa
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:48 am

Operating and owning aircraft are two distinct things. If you look at some of the majors, entities other than the airline may "own" the aircraft. Same thing as cars; you may lease a car for 2 years, you drive it and say it's yours, and a the end of the lease - well, who knows? There are lots of spare 747's floating around. They may be older, but with a decent refurbishing (cabin update and paint), most people would never know the difference. I'd like to draw an analogy to one of the sexes, but we'll not go there...
 
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 11:56 am


Tbear
To quote the description from the article,
"The data in this census covers all commerical jet and turboprop-
powered aircraft in service or on firm order with the worlds airlines"
"The information is correct to July and excludes non-airline operators,
such as leasing companies."
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 12:02 pm

Air Plus Comet got the 747 from their partner airlines Aerolineas Argentinas

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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Mon Sep 01, 2003 1:03 pm

GARUDAROD -

If you believe what you read in something, that's fine. There are many deeper and more complex issues you don't want to know - I have a bridge I can sell you across San Francisco Bay as well. I've seen 747's as ante in a poker hand!
 
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:37 am


Tbear

I dont think your sarcasism is appreciated in this case. Ive also got some
swamp land in Florida I would be glad to sell. The point being that
Flight International is a very respected publication and their printing a
list of B747 operators that are virtually unknown made for interesting
discussion. If you have a problem with the topic, dont read it. If you
dont like the responses to your post, dont voice your opinion.
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 5:12 pm

- The Kinshasa SP is a Gulf Falcon/Spirit of Africa aircraft still wearing the basic blue Mandarin Airlines livery. To my knowledge it was painted with titles and tail logo about 6 months ago but is still parked in Sharjah.
- I´ve seen a picture with 3 (?) old 747s in Jakarta recently. I guess that are the Air Philippines aircraft (ex Olympic). But they are not operated (and not repainted) as well.
- Ariana operated two ex-UA 742s (that were stored for about two years before) during the Hadj earlier this year. They had Afghanistan registrations but UA colours.
- I don´t know the status of Spirit of Africa, formerly known as Air Gulf Falcon.
Seems they never flown their (very early) 747s a lot.
 
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 6:51 pm

The census of Flight International is not always a reference. Some data are often outdated.

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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 7:41 pm

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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:12 pm

The Air Asia 747-200 that was leased from EAL for Hajj flights were unusual
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 8:54 pm

Air Malawi leased a 74L from SAA at one time, but only for a short period - I know it was used for a State Visit by the President of Malawi to the UK, and was painted in Air Malawi livery, but I don't know how long it was leased for.
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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 9:56 pm

Angola Airlines (Linhas Areas de Angola) also flies a 747-300 (I believe). I would see the 747 quite regularly at Rio De Janeiro (Antonio Carlos Jobim).The service is from Luanda but I'm not sure on the frequency,I think its twice a week.

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RE: Unusual B747 Operators?

Tue Sep 02, 2003 10:19 pm

Well I think South African Airways or Suid Afrikaans Lugdiens was during the 70's and 80's as there was supposed to have been an international trade embargo against South Africa because of its apartheid policy and human rights violations.

The US administration of the day ignored this, allowing Boeing to sell to an international villain state, one that practiced terror tactics on much of its own population.

This then forced Airbus to deal with them as well, further breaking down the trade embargo.
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