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Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:09 am

Do you think the -900 will be the last 737 type built? Or will there be a new model series with range that can go New York-London, Miami-Sau Paulo, Los Angeles-Buenos Airies, or Miami-Paris.

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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:18 am

The 737 can already go New York to London - the BBJ has even flown from Seattle to Saudi Arabia non stop !.

The a/c would not be profitable on those sorts of routes either, unless they are operated as all business flights, and this is already happening with the 737BBJ anyway from DUS-EWR.

To operate a small type in an economy config would not make enough money to justify the operation due to the small numbers of pax carried. A majority of people would not fly on the route on a small a/c when they could travel for less money on a widebody.

Also you ahve to consider cargo. The 737 cannot carry all that much cargo so again there wouldn't be enough revenue to justify operating the service.

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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:24 am

If Boeing thinks an even longer (no more 757) or shorter (to compete with A318, EMB190) 737, there will be more versions of the 737.
The only problem is in the designator, 737-10H4 for Southwest, 737-1106 for KLM???
It might well become the 787-100 or 797-100

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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 4:33 am

Hiii folks!  Big thumbs up

I think that the 737 NG series will need one update, well, you see that Airbus released the A320 family, and due to the caracteristics of this family of airliners like the system of gestion of containers, size, avionics, etc, well, the 737 NG is just an evolution of the anterior series. Boeing says that is a completely new product, but it isn't, is just an evolution, the 737NG has a lot in common with the old series. Well, this is not a question of range, because the 737NG and the A320 have more or less the same range. I believe that boeing is going to launch a new generation of 737, with a system of cargo like the A320, bigger fusalage like the A320 family and new avionics.

IF the new plane will be Named 737 or 7X7 or other name... well a name is just a name; perhaps the 900 will be the last plane with this actual main characteristics, perhaps the new 737 will have a visual aspect quite diferent... and will use the same name... 737... it's like an Heritage eheheh Big grin

Cadillac started prodution of the Cadillac Deville many years ago... and the Caddy changed shape, model and design a lot of times... but it still the Cadillac DeVille.

Well with the 737 perhaps is more or less the same... perhaps Boeing wanted to preserve the identity and the brand 737 and produce an evolution or otherwise change for a new designation.

But true is... Boeing will replace current series... when market ask for it... they will!
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 6:12 am

One of two things will happen:

Boeing will develop a new airframe that can do the job of the 737 more efficiently, or

Boeing will continue to develop the 737 airframe, either continuing the 737 name or calling it something else like 797.

Of course, that assumes Big B staying in the commercial aircraft biz. They could go all-military like Lockheed and others.
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:03 am

Leexyjet, although this probably would not justify creating Longer Range 737, there are actually niches wehere plane of this size would be useful to fly longrange. This is from small cities and (even more true) countries, which couldn't support 767s/A310s on these routes. So, the only possible way to fly to destination would be via some other airport, which also could mean long waiting times in it, probability of missing next flight, etc. So it would be probably better to fly longrange directly on 737 size plane in these cases. This is not so true for UK or USA since there are many intercontiental airports and ussually they are not very far from home. But here in Lithuania we have no intercontinental routes and thus flying through London, Amsterdam, Frankfurt is needed. Closest intercontinental airport, from where you could reach USA, is Warshaw shich is 700kms away from Vilnius and also you have to pass customs in a way and bad roads on Polish side. Once Lithuanian Airlines planned to get a 767-200 to operate transatlantic flights from Vilnius, but later they decided that plane is too big for such route (757-200 would have had a restricted weight because of range in Vilnius-Chicago, one of planned routes). Chicago also has huge Lithuanian expatriate community (about 500000 people in metra area) and most of them are visting their fatherland, but now they have to do so via Amsterdam or Frankfurt.
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:46 am

Well Boeing can always use the designator '737-900ER'. Another thought would be to shorten the 757-200 to fill-in the gap between said plane & the 739. IMO, the 737 has lots of life in it yet, even if no more subtypes are developed. Regards.
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:51 am

I hope and believe the 737-900X, if built, will be the final 737.

I am a firm believer that the hype regarding the 7E7 will yield three lines of aircraft:

1) A 767 sized 200-250 seat family of aircraft.
next) A 737 sized 100-190 seat family of aircraft.
C) A 777 sized 250-400 seat family of aircraft.

In that order, in fact.

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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:25 pm

Forgetting the fact that certification of an aircraft is quite expensive and there is no way the FAA or JAA would ever certify a type with such a broad load range. Look for two airframes called the 787 and 797 instead.

But, alas, I also believe the 737 is soon to end production. Nut then, 35 years today and 45 by the time the last will be delivered is not a shame.
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 12:33 pm

Gigneil -- I believe you are right.

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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:19 pm

Absolutely the last 737. Boeing is headed in a new direction. Assuming the 7E7 is the right bird at the right time, which I believe it is.

Word is, the 7E7 will be a family, with the first being a -300, the logical replacement for the 767 with 200-250 seats (757-300/767). This would then be followed by the 7E7-200 with 150-200 seats (757/737-900), then a -100 with 100-150 seats (737-600/700/800), and a -400 with 250 to 300 (767-400/777), a -500 with 300-350 (777/747).

One big happy and efficient family of birds. In 20 years, all current aircraft will need a replacement. If they really want to enter the RJ market, they could re-work the 717 (7E7-60RJ/-80RJ) using lighter materials. 2x2 with 60 and 80 seats to fill the niche. All the 7E7's will have 18 to 18.5 wide seats in coach, likely with better pitch as well. This would work in a 717, they could drop several thousand pounds of weight from a 717 using new materials, thus increasing range and improving fuel burn.
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:48 pm

I think they can't technically build a single plane with different wings, different fuselage diameters etc. on one production line. So I foresee two different main lines at Boeing in 20 years, the 7E7 (8 abreast) to seat 200-350 pax (all versions) and a 7*7 (6 abreast) for 100-220 seats. This might be a beefed up 737 indeed. In that case I guess Boeing will pull the same trick as with their customer numbers and go on with letters instead. So the first new 737 version following the -900 will be a 737-A00. If KLM orders it, it will be a 737-A06, if Southwest takes it the 737-AH4 and the one for Westjet is 737-ACT !
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:55 pm

I think the heavy's will be at what evey site they choose for the 7E7 and the 717 line will slowly phase in the narrow body birds.

7e7 RJs, 7e7 -100 and -200 with 7e7-300/400/500 at the other facility.

Gotta think Boeing is thinking up their own RJ. They looked a the 728Jet. Now why woudl you do that if you weren't interested in the first place. All 7E7's will be long birds due to the design and more aerodynamic than anythign else they make today. Oddly, I think the new birds will look very much like the 728 Jet with that bad ass nose job, and very unlike the stub nose 737.
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 9:58 pm

I think it's likely they will keep the 737 moniker..but it will be whole new bird.
I doubt we'll see it fly before 2010. I imagine it will be an 'everyman's' plane, with versatility from 130-200 seats...

I'll disagree with one post...I think there will be three products
737 replacement
Pretty sure that would provide enough overlap to satisfy 90% of airline requirements.

RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:04 pm

When the new design cuts costs and fuel burn, everyone will want a derivative. It makes no sense to have three completely different designs.

Heck, even Airbus sees that.
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RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:46 pm

Uh....Airbus has the

What completely different design are they now eliminating?

RE: Has Boeing Built Its Last 737?

Fri Sep 05, 2003 10:57 pm

There is a lot more commonality between the Airbus types you mention than there is between the 777 and 737.

Boeing could make a tremendous leap by using the following:

Same Engine derivatives
Single Avionics Package (Honeywell Primus)
Same Interior

Right now there is too much of a variance between Boeing aircraft families. Boeing is the one that needs to cut variances. Airbus has done this right. Keep it simple.

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