mozart
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Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:41 pm

Why aren't any of the Middle Eastern airlines in an alliance? I guess that many people have knocked on the door of Emirates, but other than some codeshare agreements (AF-ME, QR-LH), not a lot have come out of it.

I coiuld imagine a couple of memberships:

Star: Gulf or Emirates (but not both), definitely Qatar because of their existing ties with LH

oneworld: Emirates or Gulf, depending on who goes to Star, maybe Turkish (old ally of Swissair BTW)

Skyteam: ME), Brazil">MEA from Lebanon (existing link with AF)

Which still leaves people like Kuwait, Egyptair, El Al, Jordanian and maybe also Saudi Arabian, which don't have any existing ties, but which could fill some gaps on the map, no?
 
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RE: Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:02 pm

It makes sense for Gulf Air to join OneWorld as they have already formed codeshare agreements on domestic flights between Sydney and Melbourne domestically in Australia, as well as on QF's flights from SYD to SIN to connect with their GF149 service to BAH.

But as GF are returning to Australia in their own right in November (BAH-SIN-SYD-SIN-BAH, I dont really see this happening now. Maybe we will see a GF A330-200 in Australia?

GF are advertising in Australia the best connections between Australia and Greece, their proposed flight from SYD - BAH only has a 1 hour connection time for the flight to Athens, maybe QF could use their brains and codeshare on this, as they have no flights to Greece at all, and considering OA pulled out of MEL and SYD a couple of years ago due to high operating costs and long flights (from SYD-MEL-BKK-ATH)

Who knows??

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RE: Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:06 pm

AirFrance holds 30% of M.E.A and has a strong partnership and code-share agreement for years. M.E.A is due to join SkyTeam, maybe next year, when its restructaring will be effective.

MEA was a great and important Airline in the 70's before the war, the First airline in the region to introduce the B747 in service... The "Hub" of BEY is geographically an ideal "Door" to the region.

Mozart, MEA was used to fly to GRU from BEY, with an enroute stop at ABJ (or DKR ? )

Emirates is a great Airlines...for passengers but not for being an allied.
They are very agressive commercialy, but their costs, financial ressources, revenues, results etc... are not very clear.

I am not sure it's good for any airline to have Emirates as a partner in an Aliance.
 
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RE: Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:24 pm

Yep, I remember those ME), Brazil">MEA flights to Sao Paulo, glorious time. They also had BEY-ORY-JFK with a 747 for many years, but that stopped by the late 80s I believe. Now they can't do it, because I think there still is a travel ban by the US State Department for US citizens to go to Lebanon - at least there used to be until recently

My personal wish would be for ME to become a shooting star like EK or QR, but that is simply by affection for that country and that airline. Glad to hear they will join Skyteam
 
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RE: Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 8:52 pm

It will take time before ME become a "shooting star"... you don't erase so easy the consequences of a terrible 20 years war.
As most of the French people, I have special feelings for Lebanon, it's my "second" homeland. This country has a HUGE potential of development and can hold the leading place in the region...if its neighbors would let it !

M.E.A began restructuring in the early 90's, after the war ended. It must be said that they NEVER fired anybody during the war period and never stopped flying to/from LCA when BEY airport was closed, or leased by Air France or Air Inter, as most of their a/c were parked at ORY for protection from bombings...

The Airline restarted operations fully from BEY in the early 90's with an aging fleet of few remaining B707 and B720 !!!! and 3 B747-200.

They operate now, only 10 years after one of the most modern and youngest fleet in the world with Airbus A320/321 and A332.


to correct you : US citizens can travel in Lebanon without problems...! M.E.A stopped its BEY-ORY-JFK flight because THE AIRLINE is not allowed to land in the U.S for "security" reasons...while PIA is... Nuts !!!
 
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RE: Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:09 pm

In my opinion the last Gulf carrier to join an alliance would be EK. I don't see QR joining an alliance as well.

Not sure about Gulf but they would fit into oneworld for sure.

MEA for Skyteam seams to be logical as well.

No alliances for Iran Air, Royal Jordanian, Yemenia, Oman Air (as far as I know they only have one codeshare partner and thats LX on MCT-ZRH vv.), Syrian Air, Saudi Arabian and Kuwaiti and others.
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RE: Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:16 pm

RJ used to have a codeshare partnership with TWA.
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RE: Why No Middle Eastern Airlines In An Alliance?

Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:34 pm

Jetjack74
A lot of Middle Eastern Airlines have Codeshare flights on other carriers but this doesn't say a lot of they might join an alliance or not.
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