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Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:48 am

Is it just me, or is anyone else amazed at some of the routes RJ's are now flying these days. There really long!!! For example LAX-XNA on AA Eagle. And I know at one time this flight operated, but I don't know if it still does today, DFW-BOI on AA Eagle too. But what do you guys think, will we continue to see longer routes for regional jets? And also, whats the longest route you know of for a RJ?

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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:52 am

EWR--XNA,OKC,TUL,MSP,FPO,BHM,OMA
IAH---YYZ,NAS,GRR,MKE,IAD,ORF,PSP,SLC
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:55 am

There is a similar topic out there; "RJs -- Savior or Damaging." I think the general impression of RJs depends on where you're coming from. For example, CLE has become nearly dominated by RJs. This is a place that used to have many, many mainline flights, so people here are likely disappointed.

But I think that disappointment is minimal when compared to how estatic the small and medium-sized airports are about the RJ phenomenon. You gave the XNA-LAX example: this is a market that probably wouldn't support a mainline aircraft (maybe an F-100, nothing more). The CRJ has enabled people in Bentonville to get to LAX non-stop, and on a jet aircraft. I think they like it.

In short, though, RJs will become more prominent so long as the market demands more frequencies, fewer turboprops, and more nonstops.
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:00 am

The CRJ has enabled people in Bentonville to get to LAX non-stop, and on a jet aircraft. I think they like it.

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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:07 am

"Enabled the Wal-Mart execs!"

Wal-Mart has a very large fleet of Lears in their corporate flight department. I wouldn't think their execs are taking the airlines that often.
 
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:17 am


If Air Canada manages to finegle its stated `big plan` of getting a hundred or so `big regional jets` in a couple of years` time to fly in and around Canada with, then there`re sure going to be some long sectors done there. Even of the ~four-hour variety (like YUL (or YOW)<-->YEG, YYZ-YXE, and a whole bunch of off-peak-hour runs from YYZ, YYC, and YVR. Yikes) But if by some amazing improbability they do wind up ordering Embraers as the ones to do these flights, it seems to me that they wouldn`t really be able to be called `RJ flights` , at least not from a cabin-space-and-comfort point of view.
 
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:30 am

I don't know much about that, but SK flies with Dash8Q-400

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A quite loooong route for a Prop...
 
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:31 am

Wal-Mart has a very large fleet of Lears in their corporate flight department. I wouldn't think their execs are taking the airlines that often.

Learjets or not, Wal*Mart is the reason that AEagle is flying LAX-XNA and LGA-XNA, and still offering mainline service on DFW-XNA and ORD-XNA. The flights are nearly guaranteed to make money, and American Airlines is the main airline of choice for Wal*Mart execs.
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 6:32 am

People will always choose a nonstop vs a connection, people that is who are flying for business. "Time is money" as the old saying goes is still very much valid today, leisure folks might have time to add three hours to a trip.

But if a business traveler had a choice of a long RJ flight that was three hours shorter than a large jet connection, 9 out of 10 times the business traveler is going to choose the nonstop RJ flight.

The business traveler is who most of these flights like EWR-Tulsa are marketed towards.
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:00 am

"American Airlines is the main airline of choice for Wal*Mart execs."

You're right. Why maintain a fleet of 40 Lears when you can fly an American Eagle RJ instead?  Insane
 
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:03 am

"There is a similar topic out there; "RJs -- Savior or Damaging." I think the general impression of RJs depends on where you're coming from. For example, CLE has become nearly dominated by RJs. This is a place that used to have many, many mainline flights, so people here are likely disappointed."

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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 7:14 am

Much of the traffic into XNA is probably coming to talk to Walmart, not necessarily their people flying out. Walmart is big enough that people have to go them.

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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:00 pm

It's not the Walmart exectutives that are taking the flights. It's the vendors of all the products that Walmart sells on those flights. Plus even with a fleet of lears there are still is a need for more seats that their flight department can provide, short of starting there own personal airline.

So as of now AE/AMR serves XNA out of ORD (with AA), DFW, LGA, STL (actually AA connection I think TSA), and LAX.

As for using RJ's on long routes I have to say anything over 1 and a half hours on a EMB is long (and I'm a FA on a EMB), as for the CRJ I haven't had the chance to fly on it but from what I heard it isn't all that bad. But keep in mind if it wasn't for the RJ's a lot of service to certain cities would either but cut back greatly or cut off totally.

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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:18 pm

I flew CVG-MCO (about 800 miles) on Comair this past April, a two hour flight. It was quite uncomfortable compared to my 2 hour BOS-CVG flight on a MD-88. I think 1 hour-90 minutes is a good tolerance level for a CRJ. We'll see if I can tolerate it on CVG-MHT in April 2004, which is a two hour flight.

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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:39 pm

It's not the Walmart exectutives that are taking the flights. It's the vendors of all the products that Walmart sells on those flights. Plus even with a fleet of lears there are still is a need for more seats that their flight department can provide, short of starting there own personal airline.

Viflyer is right. For 20 years my mom has been working at Fleet Bank, the 7th largest bank in the country which just last week bought a small bank in Penn. It was only up until a few years ago that she obtained enough clout within the company to travel on one of the corporate planes, a King Air C90, on business trips. Obviously Fleet is nowhere near the size of Walmart, and she's only in the H.R. department, not middle or upper-management, who are normally onboard the company Cessna 650.
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 12:54 pm

I dont see what the problem is........you can still fly that same route with any other airline and a/c type....and get the same:unconfortable seats,no movie,no meal,long lines at the check point,and mean flight attendants!!!!!!
 
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 1:25 pm

Some of the long routes we do are: DFW - RDU, DFW - CHS, DFW - CAE, ATL - Monterrey, Mexico, all with CRJ -200's. ASA Delta Connection, also DFW - ONT, DFW - SNA all over 3 hours 20 minutes on the CRJ -700's.
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 9:25 pm

Try DFW-OAK. ASA CRJ-700.

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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Thu Sep 04, 2003 11:02 pm

Hi Spotterboy,

SK Dash-8-400's have been flying into Nice this summer too, but I don't know from where - but from anywhere in Scandinavia its a pretty long haul.

The longest I flew on an RJ was an EMB-145 British Regional flight MAN-NCE - 797 miles.
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RE: Long Routes On RJ's

Fri Sep 05, 2003 4:39 am

MEM-PHX on America West Express is a pretty long flight. Edmonton-PHX on America West Express is another long one. both are operated by CR7s
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