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What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:33 am

Hi guys, what do you think is the best substitute for the 747-SP?
 
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:35 am

This is a hard one, maybe A330 or A340. Dont ask me why though.

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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:37 am

A340-500?

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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:38 am

B777-200 Perhaps?


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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:39 am

Perhaps another 747SP?
Sorry, couldn't resist.  Wink/being sarcastic Seriously IMO, the 777-200LR is my first choice. Regards.
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:09 am

As far as I'm concerned, there is not now nor will there ever be a substitute that will even come close to replacing the 747-SP. She is as great now as when she was first produced.
 
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:15 am

The A340 series, the 777 series, and the 744. Heck, even the MD-11 if they hadn't screwed up on the promised range.

Same or a greater number of passengers with similar range and a significantly lower cost.
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:22 am

IMHO there is no need for a 74L substitute. As great as the plane is (primarily by its looks and take-off performance), it was only built as Boeing wasn't able to built a plane the size of a Boeing 747-200 with the range of the Boeing 747SP back then.

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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:40 am

The SP was a specially designed aircraft for a specific purpose - the goal was to develop an aircraft that could fly JFK-Tokyo nonstop and LAX-SYD nonstop; when the 744 was introduced, and could fly the routes that previously could only be served by the SP, the SP was no longer necessary.

The SP was a great airliner in its time, as it was the first ultra-long haul type (the range of the 742 was about the same as a 707-320B) and allowed airlines to open new routes.

The 777LR and A345 follow in the tradition of the SP, these aircraft will be capable of flying routes that were previously not possible.
 
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:49 am

B777 series.....

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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 3:46 am

I flew the SP both with PanAm and here in Argentina... sure, it is a long range airplane, ideal for the 250-300 passenger payloads...
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As a few of you mentioned, that aircraft was build to exceed the range of the early 747-200s... however the late series 747-200s and 300s are capable of longer range due to increased fuel capacity, provided a lighter payload is used. In Argentina, we sold our single SP when the 200s turned out to be capable of equal to or better range.
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When an airline operate a fleet of 747s... sure, having a few SPs and a few 747-200/300s, at least achieves a "single type fleet" for parts, maintenance and crew qualifications. Bringing in another type aircraft, such as MD-11 or A340 brings in an aircraft type requiring different support and staffing, which may at the end, increase the operating costs...
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Boeing could have increased weights, fuel capacities and range of the SP, yet they did not go that way... after a mere 40 or so SPs were produced...
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:21 am

The 777-200ER. I think the current 777-200ER is very close in a three-class capacity to the 747SP and also in range. Had the pleasure of flying on a SP once, LHR-LAX on UA.

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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:45 am

The best 747SP replacement considering performance and capacity is the A340-500. Replacing a 4 engine aircraft with another that has 4 engines.
 
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:08 am

I have a question about the SP. A little of topic,but do all of the overhead bins on the SP drop down like that?


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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:26 am

The B777 and A340 are the obvious choices as a substitute in todays world, but I'd still rather fly on a 747SP!
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:49 am

Neither the 777, of any model, or any of the A340 range has the SP's hot and high as well as short and rough field performance. The 747SP could land and take off on a dime fully laden as with WLG.
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 4:58 pm

Either the A345 of 772LR would make fine latter day SP spritual successors in terms of range, though in other aspects they fall short of its' greatness, as in the aforementioned hot and high takeoff performance. Cruise speed was another area, as the SP often operated between .87 and .90 mach. I believe, in a 'what if?' scenario, that if the Concorde had flown some of the same long-range routes as the SP, having to land twice to refuel, the 747 could have likely approached or matched its' trip time by NOT having to land and endure the airport delays the SST would've faced. TRULY a 'special' performer!
 
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:42 am

Here we go again...the A is better than the B.... B is the best of all... bla bla bla...

You seem to forget the other aspect of the question : A substitute for the -SP, OK, but for what Airline ? and for what network ???

I think "Pouyazad" is considering the remplacement of Iran Air 747-SP. For their flights to Europe, the A330-200 or -300 would fit perfectly. This aircraft is also suitable for the Asian network of IR from THR, combined with A342 if IR intends to launch nonstop THR-U.S or THR-SYD...witch is quite unlikely by now...
Don't think they really need the 777-200LR, or A346, or A345...
 
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RE: What Is The Best Substitute For The 747-SP?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:00 am

The answer is obvious. There are a few aircraft that are -technically- capable to transport that amount of pax over a similar distance. All have been named before, and if A or B comes down to what a particular airline prefers.

LAst saturday I visited the terrasse at FRA airport for the first time since two years. And there was the 747SP of Iran Air standing next to UAs 772s and LHs A343s and I thought to myself: efficiency won against sheer "grandeur". How sad to think ordinary A330s will replace them once in Iran Air´s fleet.

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