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Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:14 am

I was just wondering what was the longest active scheduled commercial flight, in hours and distance. Also longest cargo route.







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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:45 am


I believe it's Continental's flight CO99, Newark-Hong Kong. Scheduled flight time is 15hours 45minutes. United used to have a JFK-Hong Kong flight operated by a 747-422, but this was discontinued several years ago.

The rumor I heard is that when Continental first began operating EWRHKG, they often had to divert for fuel enroute. And some regulatory agency threatened to take away the flight's "nonstop" status since it was often a one-stop flight. Anyone know if this is true?

Jeff, UAL


 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:55 am

thats what i was thinking at 8062 nm you cant beat that......thanks for the info
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:27 am

The longest flight for hours is: CO 772 EWR-HKG

The longest flight for distance is: SAA 744 ATL-JNB @ 8400mi

My question, is how long is the CO EWR-HKG flight? I ask because Tallguy14 says its 15hr 45 min which makes sense, but I thought I heard something like it was 18+ hrs?
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:36 am

Phfev03 - Welcome to A.net. This question is probably the most frequently asked one on this board, if you use the "search" link at the top of the thread you'll find many previous discussions about it. What invariably happens is that someone proposes one particular route, and 20 other people then post different answers, all with the same level of certainty - lots of "experts" around here  Smile
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:38 am

thanks for the info......I appreciate it


 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:28 am

Isn't JFK-JHB longer than ATL-JHB? It's scheduled, but not 7 times a week.

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:25 pm


ATL-JNB is a 1-stop flight.....operates ATL-SID-JNB. SID is the Cape Verde Islands. Never heard of them! Travel time is 17:05 with the fuel stop.

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:27 pm


ATL-SID-JNB is SA212. 747-400.
JFK-JNB is SA202. 747-400.

 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:31 pm


Cape Verde Islands! Found 'em!

http://www.stokar.ch/fotis/capeverde/images/001~0001_Cape%20Verde%20Map%20(overview).jpg

 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:33 pm

United used to have a JFK-Hong Kong flight operated by a 747-422, but this was discontinued several years ago.

Too technical. I'm sure at least one of the two -451 (built for NW, acquired by UA) flew this route ... therefore I think it's more appropriate to say a 744 flew the route for UA.

And yes, I know I'm being petty.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:43 pm

The brand spanking new Republic of Cape Verde is an 11 island archipelago 400 miles off the coast of Senegal. It got its start as a stopping place for slaving ships in the 1600s. The people are as mixed-race as it's possible to get. In the air age, it became a refueling stop for Madrid to Buenos Aires, Lisbon to Rio, and (believe it or not) Zurich to Montevideo. It is an up and coming resort, but it's not completely developed yet. There's a new American embassy in the city of Praia, so they must have oil.  Smile

They're served by TAP, SAA, TACV (a local airline), World Airways (ferrying oil rig crews from Houston to Angola), Volare, and Condor.




 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 12:54 pm

I thought the SID stop was coming back to the states on the JNB-SID-ATL flight?
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:22 pm

back when United was still flying to Delhi, they were planning a Chicago-Delhi flight nonstop and that was up there
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 1:59 pm

Although it would seem like JFK is farther from JNB than ATL, that is not the case. Because JFK is a good bit farther east than ATL, it puts it amost 500 miles closer. The distance from JFK to JNB is 7969 miles. From ATL to JNB it is 8439 miles.

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 07, 2003 2:02 pm

QANTAS747-438 is right. The routing is JNB-CPT-SID-ATL-CPT-JNB. the ATL-CPT flight is actually scheduled as longer than the nonstop JFK-JNB flight. SAA says that all JNB-JFK flights that were stopping in SID for fuel will now be stopping in DKR. The South Africa-Atlanta flights will still stop in SID.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:18 am

I believe that ATL-JNB is a longer route than JFK-JNB.

Continental is no longer flying the EWR - HKG non-stop route. They don't have it in their flight schedule. Or am I missing something?
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Mon Sep 08, 2003 6:37 am

http://www.amadeus.net shows a CO HKG-EWR nonstop.

If SAA really does fly ATL-CPT nonstop, then that's longer than HKG-EWR-- but ATL-CPT seems to be 1-stop.

EWR-HKG isn't 8000+ nautical miles.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:23 am

The flight from ATL-CPT or JNB on alternating days IS nonstop outbound from the states.

The JNB/CPT-JFK flights stop in Dakar, Senegal and the JNB/CPT-ATL flights stop in Ilha do Sal outbound from South Africa,if I'm not mistaken.

Both ATL-JNB and ATL-CPT are longer than EWR-JFK. NONE of these routes are 8000+ nm, in fact, none of them are 7500 nm.

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:28 am

What about Canada 3000's Toronto - Delhi nonstop? It operated for a couple of weeks either immediately before or after 9/11. A brave attempt at a new route and a first attempt at proper longhaul scheduled service for C3. The launch was so unluckily timed that it killed the whole airline.
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:28 am

Hello,
Continental resumed operation of flights 99/98 on August 1, I believe. The longest of the flights is scheduled for 16hrs. 5minutes.

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:18 am

Near as I can make out, SAA's ATL-JNB nonstop is resuming in October. When it does it will be the undisputed longest scheduled nonstop.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:13 am

What about Emirates A340-500 DXB-SYD flight which start on October 26??
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:18 am

EXT-PLH is about 5415nm. It is served daily by a Shorts 360, with extremely high yields.  Big thumbs up  Laugh out loud
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:38 am

EXT-PLH is about 5415nm. It is served daily by a Shorts 360, with extremely high yields

It must be much nicer now they've installed sleeper seats and the swim-up bar.
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:46 am

CO 99 and 98 are both 8060 miles, so you are wrong about them not being 8000nm....
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:49 am

"It must be much nicer now they've installed sleeper seats and the swim-up bar."

Definitely! First Class is absolutely value-for-money on this long, and sometimes tiresome, flight.  Big grin
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:08 am

Right now both ATL-CPT and ATL-JNB stop in SID, until the end of the summer and the end of the weight restrictions. Then they'll go back to nonstops.

A stop can be nice too, trust me...I've been on that flight  Smile
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:15 am

A stop is nice, but not in SID - its a windswept rock with a portakabin airport. I've done the JFK-JNB bullet and yes its llooooonnggg - and this was in the days before PTVs in Y class - eat dinner, watch the movie, take a pill and sleep for 8 hours, and you're still only over Angola ! Your ears don't stop ringing from jet noise for 2 days afterwards.
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:11 am

Yeah, I've done the JFK-JNB round trip too, but I actually liked it because I was on the upper deck (even though it's economy class). It's true, there really isn't much in Ilha do Sal.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 2:15 am

"there really isn't much in Ilha do Sal."

How long was the stop?

Wasn't there any aircraft or airlines to view?
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:00 am


The stop was like 30-45 minutes, but it was late night, and the whole island seemed to have only a few lights. Looking out from the window, I did not see any lights until maybe the final 15-30 seconds before the actual touch down. I was hanging out at the duty free shop but there really wasn't much specially Cape Verdian to buy, a few post cards of salt plants, CDs by local diva Cesar Evora, local coins. That's about it. Didn't see any other planes either. Maybe there were some around, but it was dark. Some cranky American was bitching about having to pay the operator to connect a call to the US. Sometimes Americans can be so insensitive. Just look at the tiny island, and how little there is and yet he expects everything to function like Manhattan!
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:12 am

"The stop was like 30-45 minutes"

Yes, however a friend of mine took the JNB - ATL flight in June and she was stuck at SID for nearly 24 hours due to an SAA error. (Maintenence or something of the like) I hope to take this flight someday!


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RE: EWR-HKG

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:15 am

"CO 99 and 98 are both 8060 miles, so you are wrong about them not being 8000nm.... "

No, I'm not.

 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:22 am

CO 99 16hrs in a 777 with 31in pitch....ahhhhhhh
EWR-SIN 18.5hrs bring it on!
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:30 am

yay, this topic again. in the past four months, i think we've discussed this fifteen times. here's the concensus, backed up in many of the previous posts with evidence (feel free to do a search).

the longest flight (distance): the nonstop jnb-atl. now, this is not always a nonstop. going west, the flight stops in SID most of the time, although during certain months, it is nonstop. it is nonstop going east (atl-jnb) all year, unless some extenuating circumstance arises.
 
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Has To Be South African Usa-safrica

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:35 am

jfk-jnb pushes the 747-400ER to it's range limit.
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Ewr-hkg 100 Miles Longer Than Jfk-jnb

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:39 am

great circle calculation.

ewr-hkg is 8,065 miles/12,980 km
jfk-jnb is 7,969 miles/12,825 km



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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:56 am

SQ is about to schedule a SIN-LAX nonstop using A-340-500 equipment. This will become the world's longest nonstop flight, at 8,765 miles. The flight could be 18 hours in duration.

http://www.twcrossroads.com/news/newswrapper.asp?ArticleID=39408&Keyword=Airlines

Stop it: Singapore readies 18-hour flight (9/10/2003)

By Andrew Compart

WASHINGTON -- Singapore Airlines plans to launch nonstop service between Los Angeles and Singapore in February, an airline spokesman in the U.S. said Tuesday.
That would become the longest nonstop route in the world, with a flight time that could reach 18 hours.

The service will use the airline's new A340-500 aircraft, and Singapore is planning to add some features and service touches specifically for such a long flight, but those details won't be revealed until the airline officially announces the new route in mid-October.

One thing travelers will be able to look forward to is an upgraded economy class in A340s to go along with the airline's recent upgrade of its business class.


Those extra touches also could be a preview of sorts of what's to come when Singapore becomes the launch customer for the super-sized A380 in 2006, the spokesman said.

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 3:27 pm

Regarding the A340-500. A Boeing spokes person stated the same fact. The SIN-LAX route will be the longest in the world. Also in that statement, he said Thai will use the A340-500 on a route to Chicago in 2005. I guess this is the new city in NA they plan on serving.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:03 pm

Aussie747:

The EK SYD-DXB is "only" 14h 40min, but the CO EWR-HKG is 16h

Think that´s the longest route currently  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Fri Sep 12, 2003 8:36 pm

great circle calculation.

ewr-hkg is 8,065 miles/12,980 km
jfk-jnb is 7,969 miles/12,825 km


You forgot this one:
ATL-JNB: 8,439 mi (13,582 km), so it's clear which one is the longest
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:38 am

JFK to SIN would be a record breaker.
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:04 pm

SNARN,

Thanks for that info!!
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:50 am

CO's EWR-HKG route is currently the longest nonstop flight, they rarely have to divert because of fuel.

UAL launched JFK-HKG almost immediatly after CO, UAL was trying counter CO's encroachment into the Asian business center which UAL had (at the time) a huge presence at with nonstops to LAX, SFO, ORD, NRT and JFK.

UAL had to pull the route because they did not have the market share in NYC to support the route, CO has the largest market share in NYC and could also feed the route from many Northeast destinations through their EWR hub.

Rumors continue about CO launching EWR-Dehli, it's on again off again. Right now it appears to be off, but that might change "again". Im not sure but I think EWR-Dehli would be a longer flight time than EWR-HKG, the EWR-HKG route uses Polar route (5?) which means the flight departs EWR and goes straight North over the pole across Eastern (Western?) Russia, China.
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 14, 2003 5:33 am

I was just wondering what was the longest active scheduled commercial flight, in hours and distance. Also longest cargo route.

Given the fact that in this question it was never mentioned that it should be a nonstop flight the answer is London Heathrow-Auckland on NZ001/2 (although NZ001 is longer in hours). NZ001 takes (scheduled) 26 hours including a 2 hour stop in Los Angeles (and including the delays you always get at LHR)

This question is probably the most frequently asked one on this board, if you use the "search" link at the top of the thread you'll find many previous discussions about it.

That's correct. Maybe airliners.net should have a FAQ with this question so that we can settle this for the time being and update it as soon as an airline creates a longer nonstop flight (fortunately no airline has plans to surpass Air New Zealand's NZ001/2).

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 14, 2003 5:36 am

Randy4920,

non of the above mentioned flights has a distance of 8000 plus nm as you claim. I suppose you mix up nautical miles with miles. A nautical mile is longer than a mile.

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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 14, 2003 6:36 am

ZSSNC: thank you for pointing out that there is frequently confusion regarding statute miles and nautical miles.

the longest nonstop scheduled commercial flight (in statute miles) is south african airways' 747-400 atl-jnb. the westerly trip often stops to refuel.

continental's service is NOT as long, and the singapore sin-lax has not yet started. until then, saa holds the title.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:33 am

The SQ flight between LAX and SIN using the A340-500 is definitely going to be the world's longest flight, no contest. I've heard SQ will configure the plane with more First and Raffles (Business) class seating and a much roomier Economy class seating for a grand total of 195 seats so the plane can fly this route non-stop year-round.

Good thing the A345 cruises at Mach 0.84, which means the flight will probably take about 18 hours westbound and 14-15 hours eastbound.
 
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RE: Longest Sked Commercial Flight

Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:36 am

18 hours is too damn long to be stuck in a plane,no matter what class you're in. LAX-Hawaii was long enough and I love planes!
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