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Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:28 pm

Which are swiss' big moneymaking international routes?
and thouse routes they should cut?


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donder10
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:32 pm

Apparently Lagos is one of their better performing routes but how much of the traffic is O&D?
 
zizou
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:44 pm

I would imagine New York (JFK) would be another.
 
aviationmaster
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 9:46 pm

I think Miami is their most profitable route across the North Atlantic, but I am not 100% sure.
 
BAJMowiec
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:04 pm

Hey,

According to what I read, quite a few people choose SWISS for their Far East flights. Flights to/from India and Thailand are big hits, considering the fact that many people connect in Zurich to go North America and Canada ... So Delhi and Bombay, along with Calcutta are sheer pots of gold for SWISS. Also, it's nice to mention that SWISS flies their biggest planes to that region of the world.

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Unique
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:13 pm

So Delhi and Bombay, along with Calcutta are sheer pots of gold for SWISS.

I didn't know LX is flying to Calcutta...!  Acting devilish
 
BAJMowiec
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:22 pm

Hey,


Hmmm... That's odd, I'm sure I read that somewhere. I'm sorry if I'm mistaken ..

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sabenapilot
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:31 pm

If you look at the way in which they have/will cut international routes all over their network continuously, I doubt there are many profitable LX-routes left.

First SWISS increased frequencies to some European destinations because they were apparently so very profitable, yet not even 6 months later we hear some of these destinations will be dropped all together?

Same for their long haul flights: they have some problems with their long haul fleet due to the delayed delivery of some of the A340s for the moment, yet even for their self-proclaimed money making routes like Rio etc. they have decided to simply cancel about half of the scheduled flights rather than look for a wet lease or so. If these flights are indeed so fully booked and making so much money as they say they are, why just cancel them?

From the circumstantial evidence, I can only conclude that apart from a handful of intercontinental O&D routes (like the flights to NY for instance) and their core European network (i.e. only biggest European cities) most SWISS routes (I.e. the biggest portion of their more exotic network) are heavily loss making.

One example you can just feel must be loss making even without knowing their exact load factor: LIBREVILLE, GABON. Can somebody explain me why on earth Swiss has/had flights to Libreville in Africa? There are no historical ties between Switzerland and Gabon. The economical relations between the 2 countries are certainly not enough to generate sufficient O&D traffic, it is/was their only central African destination which makes it impossible to establish yourself on the transfer market, SWISS never had any reputation whatsoever in Africa as SN or AF have etc .etc. If Libreville is not already dropped, it should most certainly be to streamline the network and to allow them to enter an alliance.
 
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:32 pm

Unique/BAJMowiec
flying pax with SPAs via DEL or BOM to CCU might generate some good revenue. There are not that many options from Europe to fly to CCU.


Other destinations must be Tripoli (TIP) and Benghazi (BEN) as well.
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Unique
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:36 pm

One example you can just feel must be loss making even without knowing their exact load factor: LIBREVILLE, GABON.

LBV, together with SSG, is making lots of money! Reason: as good as no competition, flights always full, high yield, high fares...
 
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:40 pm

Hey,

Speaking of places like Libreville, can someone tell me, actually answer this question that's been bothering me lately:

Let's say you have an airline like SWISS. And SWISS flies to South Africa (Even if they don't , play along) and on their way to Jo'sburgh and Cape Town they decide to stop in some African city along the way, and that city is big, and people often fly to/from that city to Europe and stuff, what city would that most likely be, in what country ?

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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:48 pm

BAJMowiec
First of all, Swiss only flies to JNB and not CPT (Swissair stopped it years ago). Why should people want to stop on the way from Europe to JNB? There is no logic behind this.

Just to mention, I don't think LX makes a lot of money on JNB, especially at the times they offered day flights them self and had codeshare on the SA night flights.
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sabenapilot
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 10:52 pm

'Unique'

LBV, together with SSG, is making lots of money!

Is it? Is it really! Well you better tell the SWISS management then, because their are about to drop LBV as from the winterseason if it has not already dropped immediately! You see what I mean? there are a lot of myths as to the profitability about certain destinations .... Even the Swiss managers believed them for too long... Seems they have now started to face reality.

'BAJMowiec'
Indeed; that's the way it goes for established airlines. However, remember this is Africa! NO internet, no booking engines... We are talking back to basics here for at least the domestic part of the market. People just fly AF or SN out of habit. With only one central African destination, no alliance partner, no Africa minded government to back it up, Swiss simply is not established enough on the continent to have this non stop destination. (so not exactly the way you describe it) As a side note, Did you know that in Lingala, the local language of Congo, the word for airplane is 'Sabena'.
 
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:54 pm

I have to agree with Sabenapilot on one point: The SWISS management is acting "very strange" sometimes. One example for instance is the Geneva-Rome route. They were adding frequencies recently and just two months later they announce to drop the route completely. The same goes for Zurich-Cologne. From Basel they serve Madrid, Barcelona and Berlin only at noon time and cancelled the morning and evening flights (the only flights attractive for business passengers). And guess what, in a couple of weeks they say the flights are not profitable...

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CV990
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:31 am


Hi!

I would say that even with a lot of competition going on in US flight SWISS LAX flight must make some money!
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Jumbolino
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:08 am

RJ100 do you remember when the increased the frequency of their ZRH-CGN route ?! yeah exactly in that moment 4U starts their flights on exactly that route and this could not work - never, 4U had that better plane and the lower, lower price and both had a good morning flight for Business people - question - who might get the profitable load ?!

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BAGSMASHER
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:21 am

Did they make money on that MD-11 they crashed into the bay in Nova Scotia? Arrogant company, arrogant country. But why?
 
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:24 am

Bagsmasher, do you want to state that SR deliberately crashed the MD-11 in order to get insurances to pay? Put the right answer...!
 
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:34 am

If India and the Far East are so profitable for Swiss, why are they cutting Delhi and Beijing?
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BAGSMASHER
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:36 am

I said nothing of the sort.
 
sabenapilot
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:56 am

Indeed Bagsmasher, Jaysit, Jumbolino and all the others....

I've said it before and I will stay with it:

From the circumstantial evidence, ine can only conclude that apart from a handful of intercontinental O&D routes (like the flights to NY for instance) and their core European network (i.e. only biggest European cities) most SWISS routes (I.e. the biggest portion of their more exotic network) must be heavily loss making.


 
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:04 am

What about ZRH-HKG-ZRH? How've they been generally doing on this particular route? Swiss is the only airline that flies between Zurich & Hong Kong (two key financial centres). CX quit a coupla yrs ago....
 
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RE: Swiss' Money Making Routes?

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:39 am

yesterday I saw a report on TSR (television suisse romande) where a Swiss pilot explained they had to face reality: from what he said all their routes outside Europe are bleeding money...he stated that if Swiss wanted to survive it had to drop the extravagant destinations
LBV is a good example: the gabonese live mostly in France; it means pax from Zurich to Libreville have 1st come from Paris....but seen the relatively low price of the ticket, is it economically reasonnable?
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