flyboy36y
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Messed Up European Immigrations

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:23 pm

Wow,

I have to say that Europe has a terriblre immigrations policy. I recently flew BCN-MAD on Iberia. Our flight had originated in Tel Aviv, but it was picking up passengers (myself included) in Barcelona. All passengers were told to deplane, those who were staying in Barcelona were ushered to Immigrations, those continuing on to Madrid were told to wait for reboarding in the lounge. It was clear from what I saw that NO effort was made to verify if those who went to the waiting area were actually telling the truth. One could easily say they were going to Madrid and just exit the airport free and clear. This illeagal entrant would now, thanks to the Schengen Treaty (sp??) have a free pass to the EU.

Here is where it gets worse:

Since the flight originated in Tel Aviv once it landed in Madrid, ALL passengers had to clear customs. Those with a Spanish ID card who claimed to have originated only in BCN showed that and were let past. But anyone of them could have showed their ID (that was NOT inspected) and lied about their point of origin and gain access to Spain.

And to to it off:

I was initially denied "entry" into Spain because I had no passport. I tried explaining that a) my passport (US) was in my checked baggs and b) I had originated in Barelona and had entered Spain a whole 30 days before. Still I was not allowed to enter a country I was already in untill I requested a supervisor, then they just let me pass.

What the hell is going on with the Europeans???

I'm typing fast... sorry for spelling errors.

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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:29 pm

As strange an experience as this was why would you pack your passort in a checked bag?
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:32 pm

I was only on a 2 day trip to Barcelona from Madrid, I put my passport in my backpack, the only bag I had... once I got to the airport it decided to check it because it was very heavy. I knew the passport was there, but it was on the bottom, so I just left it there. I never thought I would need it on a domestic flight....
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:36 pm

Nice to see a US member complain about immigrations in Europe...
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Sun Sep 07, 2003 11:58 pm

I don't want to offend our American friends on this forum but here you see what happens to us Europeans every time we want to access the States...

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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:00 am

I'd say you were pretty lucky to have come across decent immigration/security staff as most countries in the EU (except the UK & I think the Scandinavian countries) require everyone to be in possesion of a valid ID card wherever they are, travelling or not. So, as a non-EU citizen that means carrying your passport on you (driving licences aren't valid I'm afraid:-( ). Police in some countries over here take a dim view of not having
a valid ID on you even if you're a citizen of that country. Same goes for me in the US......my UK driving licence isn't accepted in a bar in the US as picture ID, whereas my passport is.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:28 am

Hi!

What did you expect if you didn't showed your passport? If I come to USA and say that I have my passport in the baggage the BEST chance I get is probably they'll let me try to find out, otherwise they'll ask you to get the next plane ( I'm saying "ask you" not to use the word "force you"...... ) back to were you came!!! Please don't use that as a self frustration, I've seen people trying to get in the USA beeing completely knock out!!! I remember once a girl that had a syrian visa in their passport and the US authorities almost did like a inquisition to her!!!!!
If there is a place were passengers can really have a bad time is USA, not Europe. As long as you have a ID card you're in!!! I use my portuguese ID around Europe and no problem, why can't I use it in USA, it as a photo, it's written in english, it as my digital impression on that and even though it's useless!!!
A few months ago I went to a DMV department to get my drivers license, I forgot my passport but I had two documents with my photo in it, my portuguese drivers license and my portuguese ID, well I had to go back!!!! Now you tell me how is more picky, the US or Europe!
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:44 am

Flyboy36y,

As a Belgian I do not need to show my passport ever to Belgian immigration, provided that I can show my ID card. It does not matter wether I arrive from inside or outside Europe. No questions asked as long as the ID is valid, same goes for any other EU member holding a valid ID card from a EU country. That includes Spanish citizens arriving into MAD or BCN from TLV. So nothing wrong their.

Arriving from BCN into MAD does not require any identification, since it's a domestic flight, arriving from any Shengen country into another Shengen country does not require any identification. As long as the flight you're arriving on originated in a Shengen country. Your flight originated in TLV, not in BCN, that's were YOU originated. Immigrations can not decide wether you lied about your point of origin or not, that's why you had to show a valid passport (and not an ID since the USA is not a Shengen country), you could have lied about your port of embarkation, remember you were thinking the same about those Spanish getting trough immigration with their SPANISH ID cards.

Spanish immigration did a perfect job, there is no reason at all to complain. Next time keep your passport with you. Your checked bags are the most stupid places to keep your passport, imagine what would have happened if your bags went lost. Sampling the airport jail perhaps.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 12:53 am

Sorry but I'm lost:

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Since the flight originated in Tel Aviv once it landed in Madrid, ALL passengers had to clear customs. Those with a Spanish ID card who claimed to have originated only in BCN showed that and were let past. But anyone of them could have showed their ID (that was NOT inspected) and lied about their point of origin and gain access to Spain.

***

A national ID is enough for for a Spanish person arriving from outside the EU.

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I was initially denied "entry" into Spain because I had no passport. I tried explaining that a) my passport (US) was in my checked baggs and b) Still I was not allowed to enter a country

***

Well that's quite clearly your own fault.

Jeremiah

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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:01 am

Okay... you people don't understand....

I was flying BCN-MAD. I had not been to TLV. I purchased a domestic ticket. The plane itself had started in Tel Aviv. I had already been in Spain for 30 days. I was NOT, I repeat, NOT in Tel Aviv. I took a weekend trip from Madrid, where I was studying at the time to Barcelona. The plane was routed as one flight number TLV-BCN-MAD. I originated in Barcelona. But, in the EU, people must mass customs at the final arrival point, not initial entry point. I was on a DOMESTIC flight. I had not been out of Spain. Is that CLEAR????
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:04 am

In case you want to know... my flying was as such.

JFK-MIA-MAD-BCN-MAD-MIA-JFK.....

Note... NO TEL AVIV. The trip to BCN was totally domestic.... why would I need my Passport on a domestic flight???
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:08 am

im still a bit lost, how could they have denied you the entry into the country when you just took a domestic flight? or were you just transfering?
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:14 am

As long as the flight you're arriving on originated in a Shengen country. Your flight originated in TLV, not in BCN, that's were YOU originated. Immigrations can not decide wether you lied about your point of origin or not, that's why you had to show a valid passport (and not an ID since the USA is not a Shengen country), you could have lied about your port of embarkation, remember you were thinking the same about those Spanish getting trough immigration with their SPANISH ID cards

Flyboy, there is your answer.

Yes, you were flying purely domestically, but it's not whether YOU were flying domestically, it's whether your FLIGHT was flying a purely domestic service. It wasn't, it was ultimately an international flight, so even though you didn't fly the international portion, your flight was classed as an international arrival in Madrid, thus you needed a passport or ID.

My advice to anyone would be to always keep relevant ID with them at all times.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:16 am

"It was clear from what I saw that NO effort was made to verify if those who went to the waiting area were actually telling the truth. One could easily say they were going to Madrid and just exit the airport free and clear".

No Flyboy36y, it is not as easy as that!

Usually, when the plane arrives from a destination outside the schenegan territories, it is parked in a gate in a designated non-schenegan lounge. There is always a passport control desk between these lounges and the rest of the airport. So it will not be possible for any illegal immigrant to come in without being checked.
at least this is how it works in AMS, FRA and CDG.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:22 am

Jacob, all I can say is that you were damn stupid not to carry your passport on your person at all times. If an alien had tried that in the US and had been stopped for whatever reason, they would have been shipped off home (or worse still to Gitmo) before you could say "call my embassy".
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:29 am

Fly domestic with Iberia next time, you won't have that problem.

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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:35 am

Fly domestic with Iberia next time, you won't have that problem.

I was on Iberia

im still a bit lost, how could they have denied you the entry into the country when you just took a domestic flight? or were you just transfering?

I was not transferring planes. Its ewhat confused me. Itsa just how they do it in Europe I guess.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:36 am

Jacob, all I can say is that you were damn stupid not to carry your passport on your person at all times. If an alien had tried that in the US and had been stopped for whatever reason, they would have been shipped off home (or worse still to Gitmo) before you could say "call my embassy".

In the US one would not be inspected by immigrations after a domesticflight.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:37 am

The problem here is how IB manages flights between MAD-BCN-MAD . They have different flight numbers with different meanings. Generally, IB6XXX are flights with an intercontinental flight number flown on small equipment (A320, M80 or B757) that will connect passengers or take connecting passengers to/from an A340 or B747. For example, you can buy a ticket from Mexico City to Barcelona on a direct flight with only one coupon and with a stop in Madrid:

ON 08SEP03 MEXICO CITY /BARCELONA *IB
1 MEX1BCN 08/2040#1710 IB6402 F5 A5 J9 D9 I9 Y4 B4 H4 K4#EQV B

The truth here is that you won't be flying on the same aircraft, since the flight between MEX and MAD is an A340 and then you will have to connect to a flight with the same number (IB6402) but with a different aircraft (A320). The problem here is that in order to fill the A320, IB sells tickets on the domestic market for this flight. People flying to BCN from MAD on IB6402 will have to depart from the international terminal (domestic flight) and since the aircraft has passenger that come from Mexico City it will have to arrive in the international terminal in Barcelona, making all passengers go through immigration and customs.

My advice is that next time you make sure your ticket is booked on a domestic IB flight code between MAD-BCN-MAD (ask your travel agent or IB staff) or avoid IB and fly JK or UX. IB does this on the shuttle service so they can offer international passengers one stop flights to BCN or MAD and in the mean time, get domestic customers and be more profitable. In my experience, IB has never told me or my friends who have flown between this two cities that we will have to depart from the international terminal, so you have to figure out by yourself when you arrive at the airport (if it is your first time on one of the four digit MAD-BCN-MAD flights)...
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:40 am

Sure Rojo, we could all do that...on the other hand, we could just remember to have ID, and relax.  Big grin
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:42 am

Rojo,

Exactly! In facy, in BCN I first went to the wrong terminal. I went to the Puent Aero BCN-MAD terminal, but was told my flight was leaving from a regular terminal. What a pain in the ass....
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:43 am

Sure Rojo, we could all do that...on the other hand, we could just remember to have ID, and relax.

I had ID and a copy of my passport.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:44 am

Rojo,

if passengers from a MEX/MAD flight have to transfer onto a MAD/BCN flight why does IB make that flight an international flight then? It would be so much easier if all the incoming passengers from MEX had to clear immigration at the first point of entry (in this case MAD). Other airlines can do it (e.g. UA offers a FRA/ORD/MSP flight with the same flight number but an aircraft change in ORD and all passengers from FRA have to clear immigration in ORD).

I think what you endured, Flyboy, is much more the fault of IB than that of EU immigration.

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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:46 am

Something about this story doesn't smell right. If you had ID and a copy of your passport, there is no question that you were legally in Spain and you could not have been "denied entry" as you said in the first post.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:51 am

Rojo,
Thanks four your explanation! I was flying BCN-MAD a few years ago and was somewhat confused when I had to pass through immigration upon arrival in MAD from a domestic flight.

No information by IB about this ratherunusual procedure at check-in, however, I didn't get into any trouble because I had my ID with me (like any adult should when travelling IMHO).
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 1:58 am

Flyboy, from the information I received on this thread, ID would not have been enough, since you are not a Spanish citizen, or citizen of a Schengen (sp?) country. Since you are American, you would have required your passport. (As to having a photocopy, I have no idea whether that is acceptable).

 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:12 am

It's the same all over the world ... the domestic leg of an international flight is considered an international flight UNLESS they make all pax clear immigration once the plane touches down at the first domestic airport.

If you have a (fictional) flight UA444 Madrid-JFK-Chicago, everybody clears immigration at JFK and then proceeds back to the plane which has now become a domestic flight.

If you have a (fictional) flight QF333 England-Sydney-Melbourne pax flying to Melbourne clear immigration there hence the Sydney-Melbourne leg is international. "Domestic" passengers flying Sydney-Melbourne actually check in at the international terminal in Sydney.

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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:15 am

Hi

when I go to the states I am always freaking out about being rejected at immigration though there is no reason....you're complaining that our system is a mess, but at least you were allowed to enter with your passport in your backpack!!!!!

the intra EU flight is no excuse since as mentionned before, most EU countries require and ID whether you're flying, driving, or walking ( for US citizens passport only,for EU citizens ID card are enough)
FYI, I was told by a US immigration officer entering the US from Canada at Niagara, that I should keep my French passport on me since it was the only proof of ID that would be accepted in the US....so apparently no difference between EU ansd US on that point.

Nevertheless I understand it's a bit confusing and the airlines and airport authorities are responsible of the mess.
at AMS I was nearly denied boarding my RG flight AMS-CDG: when I showed my AMS-CDG boarding pass to the immigration officer checking passports when leaving AMS for international flights,he told me I had to use another gate, CDG being in Schengen there was no way I could fly to CDG thru his gate.....
I had to explain that the RG flight was departing from intercontinental area of AMS but that I ended my trip at CDG (the flight is AMS-CDG-GRU)
the confusion is due to the exotic route done by RG who wants to fill the plane on AMS-CDG, and the "Schiphol groep" apparently did nothing to inform the law enforcement authorities of this possibility
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:21 am

IB's shuttle between MAD-BCN-MAD is quite confusing for many people and once it was confusing to me too.

It was a surprise for me the first time that one of my friends had this domestic with international arrival experience in BCN. Then I decided to investigate a little further and travel between MAD and BCN to see it with my own eyes... As ZNSNC said, the United States has a policy that makes every passenger clear immigration at the first point of entry, but clearly Spain does not have one...

I don't know why IB, AENA and the Ministerio de Asuntos Exteriores does not make every passenger on an international flight clear immigration and customs on the first point of entry (maybe one of our spanish a.net members could clear things out!!!) but IB has many flights with this kind of operations which get very confusing for passengers flying the domestic shuttle (Puente Aereo) between Madrid and Barcelona.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:22 am

the intra EU flight is no excuse since as mentionned before, most EU countries require and ID whether you're flying, driving, or walking ( for US citizens passport only,for EU citizens ID card are enough

Not wanting to confuse people even more, but are you sure, especially about the 'for EU citizens ID card are enough' ?

I mention this because there are some European countries which 1) Are not signatories to the Schengen agreement, and 2) Do not have a form of national ID.

For example, British citizens have no form of national ID other than their passports, so is this what they must show when entering any other European country?

Can't wait for the Biometric-type immigration....
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:32 am

DoorsToManual

I said MOST EU members....the UK citizens of course don't have an ID card (maybe some other country don't either) so they should show their passport.

and YES I am sure that for EU citizens having ID cards, this ID card is enough not only for Schengen area but for the UK and Ireland also.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:35 am

The reason customs did believe you , when you said you boarded in BCN, is very simple:
intra-european (including domestic) luggage tags are green. They are very easily identifiable.
The only thing that is strange to me is that there was no control in BCN when you boarded the plane.
Another thing is that it is very unkikely tat terrorist will fly from TLV to spain. Maybe that's why people at BCN and MAD didn't really care about this flight
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:40 am

"Another thing is that it is very unkikely tat terrorist will fly from TLV to spain. Maybe that's why people at BCN and MAD didn't really care about this flight"

Teva I didn't want to mention it but I think you're right....
there is also little chances illegal immigration is coming from TLV...spanish authorities have enough to care with flight from BOG,SQM,and even EZE nowadays, they don't have time to waste on making a fuss about TLV.

About the green tags, unfortunately some airlines are not following the rules... Meridiana used for a while white tags from Italy to CDG....and we had some incidents with AR on the MAD-CDG leg too...


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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:48 am

DoorsToManual:

From what I know, European Union countries accept that citizens of EU countries use their national ID cards to get into their territory no matter if they are signatories of the Schengen agreement. This means that a Spanish citizen can get into the UK with his National ID Card (DNI) without a problem.

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Varig md-11:

I was told by a US immigration officer entering the US from Canada at Niagara, that I should keep my French passport on me since it was the only proof of ID that would be accepted in the US....so apparently no difference between EU and US on that point.

Apparently this officer does not have a clue that Mexican Citizens holding a US Biometric Visa does not require a passport to get into the United States and that the US Biometric Visa is also a proof of ID in the US for Mexicans and not only the passport. But I have to say that form my experience, US Officers in the Canada / US border are not used to get international passports as much as US Officers in the Mexico / US Border and in US Airports.

Rojo



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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 2:56 am

From what I know, European Union countries accept that citizens of EU countries use their national ID cards to get into their territory no matter if they are signatories of the Schengen agreement. This means that a Spanish citizen can get into the UK with his National ID Card (DNI) without a problem

Thanks Rojo, I didn't know that.

BTW, that other quote in your post wasn't mine, so I assume you're addressing some other poster.

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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:05 am

Ooopss!! My mistake, problem fixed...
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 3:10 am

sorry if I took fro granted everybody knew we, EU citizens except UK, didn't need a passport to travel into the EU.

Rojo
you're absolutely right; the ID card (for countries where it exists) is even by EU rules the ONLY proof that legally can be required for a EU citizen inside the EU.passports are working too, of course, but are not mandatory
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Mon Sep 08, 2003 7:32 am

Varig MD11,
Absolutely right : even more in France a passport is a "travel" document and not considered as any proof of nationality ! Only our "carte d'identité" is a proof of French citizenship ! This ID is enough for me to be accepted in many countries, EU (schengen or not) even North Africa, Eastern Europe etc.
Unless mistaken nobody in this nice forum has yet pointed at 2 important differences between "old" Europe and North America
one is that on this side of the world we have been used to be asked for a proof of ID by any "uniformed authority" just anywhere (street corner, car driving etc) We don't have what is called elsewhere "habeas corpus". So we are used to carry an ID anytime/anywhere, travelling or not ! Our American friend found it out the hard way !
The other one is that only North America knows the systematic clearance thru immigration/custom at the very first gateway of entry for any international flight : all int'l flights from Asia to USA become domestic at HNL for ex. On this side any flight such as NYC/DUB/MIL (same plane) would still be "international" on the second leg.

 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:22 am

Teva,

You're right about the color of the luggage tags for intra EU flights (not for all Europe). However, I've not seen any airport yet where you pick up your luggage before going trough immigration. So the color of flyboy's luggage label had no role here.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:32 am

"What the hell is going on with the Europeans?"

When I am flying within europe, there is no custom, there is no passport-control. What about flights from the US to Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras?
You need imigration-card, fingerprints on passports?
Was spanish goverment checking your data before you came to spain?

So please don't ask that stupid questions, flightboy!

In nearly all countries of the world you have to have an id-card or passport with you to identify yourself. You don't need it in the US? Am sure you need it. And I know friends who have been treated very unfriendly when they weren't able to show their passport when they have been "asked" from us-american police.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:11 pm

You don't need it in the US? Am sure you need it.

In the USA there is no requierment to carry an ID on you.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:35 pm

Doh... who would ever put a passport in *CHECKED* luggage for crying out loud...? Keep your passport *ALWAYS* with you, dude.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:07 pm

Rojo is right. It's a mess how IB handles their BCN-MAD flights, with planes coming to BCN from the M. East, taking pax and continuing to MAD. Or taking pax at BCN for the Latin American flights out of MAD. You never know what terminal you're departing from, and if you're coming from MAD, and someone's waiting for you at BCN, they'll be shocked to learn that you actually arrive through the Int'l terminal!!!
Flyboy, I have one question, though. How could you board the plane without your passport in hand? Guardia Civil guys at Spanish airports usually check your ID and boarding pass in order to give you access through Security to the boarding area.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:56 pm

If Iberia would have lost your bag, than what? Your casual attitude with regards to your passport...is strange to say the least.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:25 pm

In the USA there is no requierment to carry an ID on you.

Bullshit. All aliens in the US are REQUIRED to carry their ORIGINAL passport and valid form I-94 (or equivalent) ON THEIR PERSON at ALL TIMES.
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rojo
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:06 pm

B747-437B:

Bullshit. All aliens in the US are REQUIRED to carry their ORIGINAL passport and valid form I-94 (or equivalent) ON THEIR PERSON at ALL TIMES.

Can you explain me how am I supposed to carry my passport ALL the TIME in the US if I'm not required to present a passport at immigration controls in order to get into the US. And yes, I'm an Alien from Mexico who owns a house in the US and travels at least 8 times each year to this country.

I have been pulled over by the police and never asked for my I-94 or passport or Biometric BCC, just for my drivers license (Mexican by the way), then some questions and that is it. I always have with me my Biometric BCC just in case and I use it for ID purposes.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:09 pm

In the USA there is no requierment to carry an ID on you.

Bullshit. All aliens in the US are REQUIRED to carry their ORIGINAL passport and valid form I-94 (or equivalent) ON THEIR PERSON at ALL TIMES.


I meant for citizens of the US, unlike the EU, we don't need to carry ID on us.
 
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:19 pm

Not all citizens of the EU are required to carry ID. As a British citizen (and consequently an EU citizen) I am NOT required to carry ID on me at all times as I happen to live in a free country.
 
captaink
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:49 pm

Re someone said if this was to happen in the US you would be deported?

Eg.. US 1476 BGI/PHL/LGA

If a passenger boards this flight and their final destination is LGA, upon arriving in PHL EVERYONE deplanes and clears US customs and immigration in PHL and then reboard flight 1476, same plane or not. The basic rule applies, all passengers clears US Customs and Immigration at the first port of entry into the US.

Placees like Nassau are lucky to have US Immigration and Customs there, so you clear those before you even board a flight to the US.

I have travelled domestically in the US and have not seen evidence of immigration officials. I am not a US citezen or resident and I travel with my Grenadian drivers lisence when fly domestically. YOu don't need a passport. US Airways terminal at LGA doesnt even have Customs and Immigration, not sure about other terminals in LGA.
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RE: Messed Up European Immigrations

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:52 pm

I am a UK citizen too, but carry a French carte de sejour ID because I live in France. I say "carry" - it lives in my wallet. Nobody in the 2 years I've lived here has ever asked to see it (except when I get parcels at the post office). I have no "personal liberty" issues about carrying photo ID, and use my French ID card when boarding US domestic flights, because it saves having to drag out my passport. Seems to be that if the UK issued photo-ID it would solve more problems that it causes.
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