Original Pan Am A300 Question

Mon Dec 27, 1999 6:47 am

I flew Pan Am LHR-MIA-TPA/MCO-MIA-LHR in August 1988. I didn't manage to get the reg's of the planes involved. It was B747-100s Trans-Atlantic, A B737-200 from MIA to TPA. However, I have a photo of the A300 that took me from MCO to MIA. You can't tell the reg. but you can see the name, it's Clipper Guatemala Does anyone have the reg. number? It would be a great help as this has been something that's been annoying me for over 10 years! Now, I'm on the internet I can ask. Also, the 737 had Gold taps and Air Florida wallpaper in the economy toilets. It also had Air Florida interior colours but was in full Pan Am billboard titles outside, was it unique? Does this mean anyone can identify this aircraft too and answer another question!

Thanks in advance,
If you can be of any help at all, don't hesitate, I'll be really greatful if you could answer my question(s)
Happy Christmas!
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RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Mon Dec 27, 1999 7:17 am

I honestly don't know about the A300 Clipper Guatemala. Sorry. the 737's were registered N63AF, N64AF, N67AF, N68AF, and N69AF. These are the ones the came from Air Florida anyway. Did it really still have Air Florida interiors? I flew Air Florida in 1981 and I remember blue and green seats. I don't remember any specific wall paper though. What did it look like?
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RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Mon Dec 27, 1999 7:32 am

Hi Jet Setter, the info your looking for could quite possibly exist at the following website. Look under HISTORICAL and the CLIPPER NAMES.

Hope this helps...

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RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Mon Dec 27, 1999 7:34 am


Are you sure the name is 'Clipper Guatemala' ?
This Pan Am website is supposed to have all the clipper names right up to 1991 but I can't find the one your looking for. This is the website if you want a look yourself:

Kind Regards

Craig Stewart

RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Mon Dec 27, 1999 9:48 am

YES! It's definately "Clipper Guatemala" The photo I have is of the A300 nosed into the terminal at Orlando, so although you can't see the registration, the name is clearly visible. The reason I'm asking this question now and not 12 years ago, is that the name was not in the fleet lists at the time. However, Pan Am was notorious for changing it's aircraft names as they served in different areas of the world. This would seem to fit, as at the time I flew on it the A300 would have been based at Miami operating mainly Caribbean routes.

It did have it's full Air Florida interior, right down to the seats. They were green, with a very broad blue horizontal band, they were definately not standard Pan Am seats. The cabin sidewalls had 3 broad bands of colour, each covering one third of the height of the panel below the overhead lockers. The top was light green, the middle light blue and the lower was pale grey. In the toilet (I only used the rear ones) the wallpaper was dark green, I think, and had the Air Florida "af" logo at very frequent intervals across the walls. Also, the taps were gold plated. I remember being quite surprised at the time, the demise of the airline being some 4 years earlier. Anyway, I always regretted not flying the original Air Florida and so was pleased to be able to fly in one of it's aircraft. I guess Pan Am had more pressing troubles at the time than refurbishing aircraft that weren't desparate. The 747-100 that flew the previous leg of my journey was falling apart! It featured it's oringinal early 1970s interior, much of the cabin trim was held together with sellotape, some ceiling panels and centre overhead lockers hung down broken and the IFE system gave up the ghost 20 minutes into the flight. As a contrast, the identical plane that flew me home had clearly just been refurbished, with a totally new interior including much bigger sidewall overhead storages.

Anyway, thanks for your help everyone, I'll check those links. I know it's a long time ago, but If anyone's records go back that far I'd be greatful for any help

Here's A 747 Question To Work At As Well!

Mon Dec 27, 1999 11:22 am

While you're tinking about my A300 question, I thought I might as well post the question about the next leg of my flight.

It was still August 1988. The flight was on a B747-100 from Miami to Heathrow. Again I'm looking for the reg. and wonder if the info i have can identify the plane. It was in the new livery and the interior was in immaculate condition. It must have recently been refurbished and featured the larger sidewall overhead lockers. The ones with the upward opening door as opposed to the older drop down type, still found in the centre of the cabin.

I did get a photo of the plane, but the name was obscured by the airport building. The reg looks like N747PA or N741PA or something similar.

Also, very important, the reason I think the plane may be unique is that on the right/starboard side there were only 2 upper deck windows. Looking at the photo it is the first window that is missing. It's the only 747 I've ever seen with only 2 upper deck windows.

Is the plane identifiable from the info I have given?
Can anyone help?
I'd be really greatful if you could. I know there must be many people out there who are knowledgable about Pan Am.
Anyway, Thanks in advance for any assistance you can provide.

Happy Christmas from England

N209PA Was Clipper Guatemala!

Tue Dec 28, 1999 5:05 am

My A300 problem was solved in the end by a simple internet search for the name.

If youre interested, the link is;

There were several Pan Am A300s which had more than one name, mainly reflecting Central America like N209PA.

Here's the list
N204PA Clipper Washington was also Clipper Costa Rica
N207PA Clipper Los Angeles was also Clipper Panama
N209PA Clipper Boston was also Clipper Guatemala
N211PA Clipper Orlando was also Cipper Houston

Thanks for your help with this one! If anyone could help identify my 747 I'd also be greatful.
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RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Tue Dec 28, 1999 6:06 am


The 747-100 plane could be 'Clipper Sparking Wave' with a reg of N741PA.

or it could be 'Clipper Sea Lark' with a reg of N747PA. That reg also had the name 'Clipper Juan T. Trippe' and 'Clipper America' previously.

I got his info from the page

Hope this narrows your search a bit.


Craig Stewart

RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Tue Dec 28, 1999 6:11 am

Thanks Craig,
If I've got it down to 2 aircraft it's definately a start!
Can anyone answer the upper deck window question?
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RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Tue Dec 28, 1999 9:34 am

Dear Jim
looking through both a book I have in front of me, and at some of the aircraft on this site, Pan-Am seemed to have a few B747-100's with only 2 windows on the starboard side. I have N737PA, N650PA and one more, I think N653PA which have 2 starboard upper deck windows. I'll look through the files and see if I can narrow the range a little.
Talk to you later
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RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Tue Dec 28, 1999 9:56 am

Well, from just looking at the photos here, there are 4 possible aircraft. N737PA, N653PA, N750PA or N747PA. The only other aircraft that seems to have had the 2 window upper deck is N739PA, the aircraft that was lost over lockerbie in December 1988, however this wasn't repainted in the new scheme( as far as I'm aware). So it's over to you, if there any more clues from the photo let us know.
Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR

Thanks Pilot21!

Tue Dec 28, 1999 10:50 am

It looks like you've solved my problem!
As I said you can almost make out the reg. in the photo I have. It looks like N741PA or N747PA. If N747PA had only 2 upper deck windows, I'm happy to go with that. In the last couple of days, thanks to the people at I've identified aircraft I flew on over 11 years ago.

Thanks a lot Pilot21 and everyone else who helped. I wouldn't normally bother, but they were my one and only flights on Pan Am, so I'd like to know what I flew on. I know there's a new Pan Am, but it's not really the same. The original Pan Am must surely be the Airline of the Millenium, they had so many "firsts" and pioneered so many different aspects of aviation. I don't think any other airlines could compete

Thanks Again!

RE: Your A300 Answer

Tue Dec 28, 1999 2:51 pm

serial # 305, 300B4-203, first flight 30-12-84.
G-BIMJ Laker Airways- NTU. F-WZMV Airbus Ind. N209PA . pan american world airways "CLIPPER GUATEMALA" leased 29-03-1985. AIRBUS A300 Leasing returned 05-06-1995. WFU & stored. F-OHPD, Philippine Airlines, leased 01-06-1995.

RE: Original Pan Am A300 Question

Wed Dec 29, 1999 2:15 am

Thanks Lonnie,
I was wondering what happened to N209PA,
It was a nice aircraft!

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