mozart
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Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:44 am

Is the PPT runway long enough to have a 744 at MTOW take off from there (full payload, fully filled up = no load restric)?

The longest flights done with the 744 from there are to LAX, that is a "mere" 8 or 9 hours, but I was wondering whether PPT would support smthg like a 13 hour or more long flight (e.g., to Singapore)
 
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:47 am

I would imagine so, I mean the A340 has a lower power, so it would have to have some extra runway room. I think the runway is like 10,000 feet. Which is enough for a 744. Air Tahiti Nui flies to KIX (or used to) I didn't know SIN was 13 hours from PPT.
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:48 am

Didn't Air France and Corsair run their 747 classics with an all coach layout between LAX and PPT. If so, I'd guess that it probably is even easier for a 744 to do the same.

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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:51 am

You are right DIA, a 747-200 to LAX.
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:52 am

PPT runway is 11360 ft. Just was not aware of how much rwy length a fully loaded 744 needs at this altitude (=sea level)
 
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:54 am

11,000 feet is plenty especially at Sea Level. More than enough room. It doesn't get too hot there, only like mid 80's also.
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:12 am

Questionable in the rain- ask an Air France 744 pilot, a Pan Am 707 pilot, and a UTA DC-8 pilot!
 
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:26 am

the world's three longest nonstop flight segments (ATL-JNB, ATL-CPT, and EWR-HKG) all take off on runways less than 12,000ft.... so probably yes  Big grin
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:47 am

Sorry but I know that the 744 (F.GITA) was LANDING when it went and dip the nose wheel in the lagoon...
Apparently take off is no problem and I heard Air Tahiti Nui is trying to convince Airbus to provide an A340 capable of flying non stop PPT/CDG...
 
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:01 am

Qantas also ran 747 classics between SYD and PPT, and also PPT-LAX, with PPT being the fuel stop. This was in Jan. 1988 when I flew it, not sure when they stopped....probably when QF took delivery of their 744's.

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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:23 pm

Questionable in the rain- ask an Air France 744 pilot, a Pan Am 707 pilot, and a UTA DC-8 pilot!

Add to that a Hawaiian DC-10 pilot, December 2000. Nobody hurt, but some bent metal at the end of the runway.

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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:53 pm

"""Questionable in the rain- ask an Air France 744 pilot, a Pan Am 707 pilot, and a UTA DC-8 pilot!"""

The Pan Am crashed after takeoff and had nothing to do with any problems with the runway. In fact I don't believe they ever found out what the cause was.
 
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:07 pm

I saw a AF B747 at PPT but I can't remember which version it was
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:26 pm

Air New Zealand used to fly 747-200's on it's AKL-PPT-LAX service, this was a scheduled route not just a fuel stop, it now operates with a 767-300!

RAR would have a shorter runway than PPT, NZ used to run 742's AKL-RAR-HNL-LAX aswell, also now a 763.
 
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RE: Papeete Runway Long Enough?

Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:02 pm

FlySwiss, if the nose was in water, then it was the "GITAnic", AF first 747-400 (F-GITA)
I have seen it on TV, and that was impressive
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