SAA
Posts: 97
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:36 pm

Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:48 am

One of my mates told me that Emirates would be flying to Cape Town non-stop from October. Can anyone confirm this as the Emirates office in JNB is permanently engaged.

This would make good sense even if it were just four flights a week. They current operate one B777 and one A330 into joburg daily. Emirates is currently the second biggest foreign carrier to south africa even tho they only serve Jo'burg having egged Lufthansa out of the second spot. Lufthansa serves Cape Town as an extension to the Joburg flight.

Its quite difficult to get a seat on an Emirates flight and u must book in advance. No as difficult as a direct BA flight to London though.
 
donder10
Posts: 6944
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:29 am

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:04 am

Wouldn't Durban make more sense?
 
DoorsToManual
Posts: 1453
Joined: Sat Apr 19, 2003 12:28 am

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:21 am

No as difficult as a direct BA flight to London though

especially in early Jan  Big grin
 
SAA
Posts: 97
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:36 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:44 am

What makes you say that ? Durban does not have a single long haul international flight compared to what Cape Town has. Cape Town has the passengers, the beauty and the economics. I fact the only foreign airline listed is Air Mauritius as Swazi airlink is part of the SAA stable.


Yup DoorsToManual. SAA now flies direct twice a day on days a week and daily on the other 5 days. BA flies daily.

SAA-Fly the South African dream



 
KQ777
Posts: 125
Joined: Sat Aug 30, 2003 11:16 am

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:04 am

Doesn't SIA still serve Durban? I've always wondered why there aren't direct Durban - London services during the European winter.
 
SAA
Posts: 97
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:36 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:30 am

No. SIA might have served it in the past but it def not not serve it now. even the cape town flight is an extension of the existing jnb service.

As for Durban I dont think there are enough passengers for a daily service, maybe thrice a week even in the european winter as CPT and JNB still attracts more tourists.

SAA-Fly the South African dream
 
donder10
Posts: 6944
Joined: Sun Oct 21, 2001 5:29 am

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:46 am

Obviously CPT is a larger market than Durban but considerign EK was losing at starting flights to Riga(!),I'm surprised they haven't looked at servign the Asian population in Durban.
 
zizou
Posts: 1483
Joined: Tue Oct 10, 2000 10:31 am

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 9:22 am

Yes, Durban would be a good option for Emirates. Because with services to Dubai they can then offer a multitude of connections to the Subcontinent and surrounding areas.
 
Ex_SQer
Posts: 1351
Joined: Wed Apr 24, 2002 5:43 am

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 10:49 am

Doesn't SIA still serve Durban?

Services discontinued Jan 2003. Before that they served DUR twice weekly with a 744 via JNB.
 
SAA
Posts: 97
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:36 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:42 pm

Does anyone have an answer to the Emirates to Cape Town question ?

I think Emirates has large support base from the ex USSR, u should see the number of 'Russians' over there. So Riga might be a good option for them.

ALso Kenya Airways starts serving Cape Town non-stop from October with two flights a week. This should be handy for passengers looking to go to mumbai as well as europe. BTW SAA has now started using an A340-200 on the mumbai route from JNB.


SAA-Fly the South African dream
 
JGPH1A
Posts: 15080
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:36 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 7:54 pm

Nothing yet on published schedules for DXB-CPT flights.
Young and beautiful and thin and gorgeous AND BANNED ! Cya at airspaceonline.com, losers
 
emirates777
Posts: 648
Joined: Wed Feb 09, 2000 12:53 am

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Tue Sep 09, 2003 8:40 pm

Saa,
Emirates area manager in South Africa, Juan van Rensburg stated almost 6 weeks ago that they were ready to fly to Cape Town. Two issues however:
1) The current bilateral between UAE and South Africa only permits 14 weekly flights and Emirates already utilise these on their JNB flights.
2) Not enough aircraft are available for a start as early as October.

The good news is that the bilateral is likely to be revised at the next talks in January and you are likely to see Emirates press for a daily into CPT and rights to Durban for the future. Furthermore i have heard that Gulf Air are also keen on operating to CPT from AUH and the bilateral talks will likely try to accomodate this also.

Also Emirates is set to take on 6 ex-SQ A340-300s from early 2004. These are likely to be deployed on some Australian/Asian and European routes and will hence free up some B777s and A330s which would enable additional flights. Africa is at the top of Emirates expansion list in the near-term. Emirates will add a no. of new routes in the next 2-3 years on this continent as well as boost frequencies.

South Africa flights have been tremendously strong. In fact straight after SARs broke out a lot of the Asian capacity was diverted to East and South Africa. Furthermore Emirates has beefed up the B777-200ER to a B777-300 on many of the flights although they likely took some cargo penalties in order to do the flights non-stop. When the B777-300ERs arrive from March 2005 two of the routes that are likely the first recipients of the acft will be JNB and MNL as they provide much needed capacity increases with the range and without the payload penalties.

Rgds
Emirates777
 
SAA
Posts: 97
Joined: Tue Oct 17, 2000 9:36 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:17 am

Thanks

I know that GF will be flying daily to JNB from december. Their service is good and i hope they do well this time around especially after EK sent them packing the last time from the UAE 2 JNB.

PS : great website but you need to update the entry for JNB to twice daily, one an a330 one a b777.


saa fly the south african dream
 
Billy
Posts: 890
Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2000 11:18 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Thu Sep 11, 2003 2:22 am

Came to this topic a bit late, but as of yesterfay the South Africans rejected GF's application for daily JNB service. The A340 was part of some options on 4 aircraft.

GF only has permission for five frequencies and they do not want to enter SA on a less than daily frequecncy.
 
qatarairways
Posts: 864
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:02 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Thu Sep 11, 2003 7:29 pm

Hello Billy,

Do you know what happened to QR's application. They requested the bilateral between Qatar and South Africa to be expanded from 4x weekly to 14x weekly so that QR can start flying there, I never heard anything about it since.
 
Billy
Posts: 890
Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2000 11:18 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:46 pm

Unless there are talks between the two governments, the SA side can be a little difficult. SA is keen to protect its Asian markets as they are planning more flights to China in particular.

QA should offer to fly to DUR (good Indian traffic) and they would get all the rights they need.
 
qatarairways
Posts: 864
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 6:02 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:13 pm

Billy,

"QA should offer to fly to DUR (good Indian traffic) and they would get all the rights they need."
I agree, QR will also have no competition from EK.

The indication of QR only starting flights into South Africa if they get 14 flights a week (to the whole of SA and not only JNB) probably means that they are looking at several destinations.
 
s.p.a.s.
Posts: 916
Joined: Sun Mar 11, 2001 2:04 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:21 pm

Would that flight pave the way for flights to South America sometime in the future?

Rgds

RS
"ad astra per aspera"
 
JGPH1A
Posts: 15080
Joined: Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:36 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:42 pm

No reason why not - MH already operate KUL-JNB-CPT-BUE with 6th (?)freedom traffic rights JNB-BUE and CPT-BUE.
Young and beautiful and thin and gorgeous AND BANNED ! Cya at airspaceonline.com, losers
 
Billy
Posts: 890
Joined: Sun Jul 23, 2000 11:18 pm

RE: Emirates To Cape Town

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:35 pm

The MH tag to EZE loses MH a fortune. They are there for political reasons. SA and MH have been told to discuss expanded frequencies to KUL from JNB. I do not know who will fly the extras.

There is a 26000 strong market for India from DUR (I've seen the res data on this). QR told me that they currently would look at DUR via another African point with A300. However, QR is looking at loads of routes so you never know what their plans are.