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World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:42 am

I've never been a poster of these types of questions, but I have always wondered what's the worlds most lucrative route, for lack of a better way to word it. I guess I mean what's consistently the best route in terms of yields for the airlines, both US and others. Any ideas? Better question, is there anyway to know?
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:55 am

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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:00 pm

I guess LHR to JFK is one of the most lucrative route.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 12:30 pm

There are of course the obvious, like London Heathrow-New York City/JFK and Singapore-Sydney. These are undeniably huge moneymakers, but don't forget some of those less known gold mines. Miami to Port-Au-Prince, Haiti comes to mind.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:51 pm

I'd say JFK-LHR has to be one...but without a doubt..HKG-TPE-HKG! CI and CX this is their cash cow (before SARS and after). Just look at the number of jumbos between the city pair! It's gotta be about 12-13 each. Then add in the EVA, THAI, SQ,EG and everyone else they let into the mix.

Also Tokyo Haneda HND-ITM (Osaka-Itami) roundtrip.

USA....JFK-LAX, EWR/LGA/JFK-MIA

Europe I'd say LHR-CDG..but I'm not sure it's 'lucrative'..heavily travelled? yes...lucrative? not so sure.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 1:53 pm

in australia

my guess, MEL-SYD, how many flights are there on that route?

MEL/SYD-LAX

MEL/SYD-LHR

another major route
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:08 pm

Air New Zealand

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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:15 pm

HKG-TPE

For MH, its KUL-LHR.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:17 pm

here's some routes that come to mind.

NYC (EWR & JFK) - London

or what about LAX - NRT? (u have all the asian carriers conecting to japan and continueing onto the west coast of the US)

another one that comes to mind is LAX-LAS (just cause of the frequencies from Southwest, America West, and the other airlines.

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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:21 pm

One of the US most lucrative routes would have to be PHX-Los Angeles. It is served by 24 flights daily on America West, plus Southwest, United, and Aloha. PHX-Hawai'i routes are fairly saturated, but don't come close to LAX. There is PHX-OGG service on ATA, PHX-SNA-OGG on Aloha, and PHX-HNL service on America West/Hawaiian.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:25 pm

I once read that the SYD - MEL was one of the busiest and lucrative routes in the world - this of course may have changed. QF has a CityFlyer service with departures every 30 mins.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:27 pm

One of the US most lucrative routes would have to be PHX-Los Angeles. It is served by 24 flights daily on America West, plus Southwest, United, and Aloha

It makes money for Southwest and America West, but yields suck. It's not a big moneymaker, most flights out of Phoenix aren't. Unless, of course, you are Southwest or America West, who don't need very high yield to turn a profit. It sucks for airlines like American and United, but it rocks for Phoenix residents.
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Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:28 pm

Ehm..how about London - Paris? Berlin - Bonn? Amsterdam - London?
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:33 pm

I think SYD to MEL is the 3rd most busiest route in the world but not sure as to how lucrative it is & the yields made by QF & VB on this route.

 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:41 pm

For a given value of "lucrative"....

Fairly strong competition, either between airlines or with surface transport. From London to Paris, the train is just as quick door-to-door, and it's certainly not expensive.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:42 pm

Britsh Airways - LHR-CDG


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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:43 pm

London to New York has to be by far the world's most lucrative route, since the front of the cabin is consistently packed, but the distance is not nearly so great as other high-premium yield routes like JFK-NRT, so I bet the profit margin is much higher. I know I read somewhere that this is the most lucrative route for American Airlines, and I assume the same would be true for BA, UA, CO, VS, and others.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 2:59 pm

For a route to be especially lucrative, it has to be over-regulated, to keep the competition at bay  Wink/being sarcastic

I'd agree with London-New York. Maybe also Hong Kong - Shanghai, or Hong Kong - Taipei?
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:04 pm

I dont know... SIN-KUL?
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 3:44 pm

JFK-LHR, HND-ITM

For South East Asia it is definately KUL-CGK v v sector with 240 flights p/w. (A330/B734 both MH and GA) versus SIN-KUL v v sector 142 flights p/w (B772/B734/A330 both SQ and MH). I think!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



 
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It Ain't PHX To LA Area

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:13 pm

Actually, the passenger totals between the LA area and Phoenix, while impressive, pale in comparison to those of a whole lot of other routes....LA to the Bay Area, Dallas to Houston, NYC to DC and Boston come to mind.

But since you brought up this market, let's see what the DOT shows for passenger counts and average fares:

These #s are from the last quarter posted by the DOT for O&D traffic:

Route Carrier # Pax Mkt Share Avg Fare

BUR-PHX WN 64700 69 $ 72.21
BUR-PHX HP 28310 30 $ 57.01

LAX-PHX WN 116870 67 $ 69.76
LAX-PHX HP 45090 26 $ 61.53

ONT-PHX WN 73220 81 $ 71.95
ONT-PHX HP 16840 19 $ 59.47

SNA-PHX WN 40640 41 $ 77.25
SNA-PHX HP 52100 52 $ 73.96

LGB-PHX HP 18400 99 $ 66.92


Based on the average fare, the yield across there is pretty good...but nowhere near that of the shuttle or even Dallas-Houston.


 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:18 pm

Don't forget MAD-BCN-MAD.
There's a bunch of daily flights with Iberia (a shuttle service, actually), Spanair and Air Europa. Everyone wants to take a bite...
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:24 pm

Alitalia LIN-FCO.

Only on this route they have a net profit after every kind of cost of €44m.

62 daily flights during week day, every 15 minutes in peak time.

 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:32 pm

all flights from Amsterdam Schiphol to the Netherlands Antilles are huge moneymakers, the fares are incredibly high !!!

KLM blocks all competition on this routes  Angry
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:36 pm

I always thoughts routes to third world countries were the most profitable.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 4:48 pm

what about ICN-NRT/HND ? 8 airlines fly that route (Asiana, Korean, JAL, Northwest, United, MIAT Mongolian, ANA, Skymark, and all flights are by widebodies.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:05 pm

In terms of domestic routes, BOM-DEL and DEL-BOM are right up there.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:28 pm

SIN-KUL is NOT a money-making route. SQ and MH only run them to feed their other flights and because of political issues.

LAX-NRT? HKG-NRT? SIN-LHR?
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 5:31 pm

JAL777 is right,

routes to third world countries are the most profitable.

In my mind I have all the AF african routes and all the major European to Lagos.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:13 pm

I agree with JAL777 and Airblue; the SN Brussels' flights to Africa are very profitable (as were the late SN's flights to Africa)...
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 6:42 pm

There is a big differnce between high traffic flows/ lots of frequencies and profitable... Margin between European hubs can be very low ...

Most profitable are the routes with many high yield business travelers and restricted (no competition) capasity

Routes with both limited competitors and with high yield trafic flows could be direct flights from LHR to non UA/VS USA business destinations such as LHR- Boston / Houston / Washington etc ...

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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Tue Sep 09, 2003 11:27 pm

HKG-TPE-HKG I remember was called "The Golden Route" because of its money making ability. Maybe this is still true?
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:08 am

Agree with Kesjee, there is a huge difference between high frequency or high loads, with most lucrative routes...

A route might be very lucrative sending only 3x... For instance, the very repeated World Airways flight between IAH and LAD or SSG... They are not even daily but offer half the plane in business configuration... That must be very lucrative.

I could also think LHR-DXB, LHR-KWI, FRA-KWI, FRA-AUH and so on... I was amazed no one has considered those very profitable markets...

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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:19 am

In terms of revenue/profit per pax:

City Pair: LAX-SAN
# of Airlines: 2
Flights: 90 (45 each way)
Daily Seats: 2,700 (approx)
Average Load Factor: 76%
Average Fare: $89
Seat Cost: $19
Daily Profit: $131K/$47.9 Million
Profit per pax:$64 (approx)


[Edited 2003-09-09 17:21:16]

[Edited 2003-09-09 17:23:35]
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:31 am

I'll go out on a limb and say the BOS-LGA-DCA corridor for yield. I don't know of many that can consistently beat that with the same frequency.

I think NYC-LON would be notorious for extremely low yields overall...

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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:31 am

BoingGoingGone -

Where do you get this data?

 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:36 am

LHR-LOS
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:42 am

BOS-LGA....US shuttle DL shuttle and american eagle all over $200 for the short hop....although i don't know about yields, must be pretty good if each airline can send a plane back and forth every hour
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 12:43 am

Most lucrative guys, not most flights!!! LHR-CDG is hardly lucrative with a return ticket rarely costing more than 150Eur.

The most lucrative routes are probably: Europe-India (always expensive, always full)

Europe-DXB/AUH/RIY/DOH/KWI (always pricey, great loads)

Europe-LOS (Lagos, Nigeria) (not necessarily full, but expensive)

Europe-SXM/ANU/BGI (seasonal loads, but expensive)

SYD-NRT/KIX/HKG/SIN (expensive, high loads)

The problem with routes from the US and South America is that they tend to have very high price competition.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 2:05 am

most lucrative, hmmmmmm i think it is MH KUL-EZE v.v. Being the only asian carrier to serve South American cities to date? and the air fare structure is amazingly expensive.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:13 am

LHR-LOS was(And mostly still is)BA's most profitable sub-sonic flight.Not only are yields immense but England has more Nigerians than any other EU country so loads are high too.
CDG-LBV yields must be up there too.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:38 am

What about this one... Khatmandu (Nepal) - Lhasa (Tibet/China)
Very short flight, little bit more that an hour but a return flight costs $650  Smile
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:42 am

N63.... I pay for it. Its' about $1500 a year.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:39 am

City Pair: LAX-SAN
# of Airlines: 2
Flights: 90 (45 each way)
Daily Seats: 2,700 (approx)
Average Load Factor: 76%
Average Fare: $89
Seat Cost: $19
Daily Profit: $131K/$47.9 Million
Profit per pax:$64 (approx)

City Pair: HKG-TPE
# of Airlines: 6
Flights: 78-90 (44-45 each way)
CI (12-A300,A330,A340,744),CX (12-A330,A340,777,744),KA (3-A330),BR (4-763,744),TG (2-777),EG (1-743)
Smallest Airc: B763
Largest Airc:B744
Daily Seats: 24,750 (approx based on avg 275 seats per airc)
Average Load Factor: ??? It's gotta be high
Average Fare: $120+
Seat Cost: $???
Daily Profit: $???
Profit per pax:$??

Hmmmmm.....


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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:32 am

You're all wrong (probably) - the world's most lucrative route can't be something that is as competitive as LHR-JFK, but a restrictive route due to route rights, and the presence of oil.

LHR to Lagos, Nigeria, has a First Class ticket price that is over and above that which Concorde to JFK used to be, for a similar distance flight.

The rights to Lagos are extremely restrictive, and only Virgin and BA fly there (Virgin on the defunct Nigerian Airways route licence). This is with virtually full loads on a twice daily, and only 2 operators. Think of the expat Nigerian community in the UK - it's huge and there's a lot of money within it.

Aside from that, possibly a central Asian oil capital from AMS or LHR.

Certainly is unlikely to be lucrative on the North Atlantic at the moment.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:34 am

Donder 10 - additionally Lagos is above LA in profitability - that I am fairly confident of
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:55 am

NRT-HNL-NRT. All major airlines, US and Japanese carriers serve it. Including Japanese charter airlines.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:20 am

BN747...

No way to tell. International Carriers dont' provide data.

I can give you direct hourly costs on those aircraft. Indirect over there is unknown.

A-300 - $5105
A-330 - $5021
A-340 - $5320
747-400 - $8161
777 - $4880
767-300 - $3928
747-300 - $7530

Block Time: 90 Mins

Trip Costs:

A-300 - $7235
A-330 - $7115
A-340 - $7539
747-400 - $11,577
777 - $6916
767-300 - $4674
747-300 - $10,671

Without seating configs and loads, it hard to tell what they make. Some of it could be subsidised and some could be through pax to another city.
 
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:08 am

Thanks BGG.

Impressive...if that's the cost then they are making MAJOR cash, ching ching or bling bling hand over fist because they of the quick journey, turn around and do it again..a few times a day.

A 744 config'd at 350 seats each seat pulling in $100 minimal=$35,000.
That's very conservative to say the least...and at 90 mins the flt= the block!
The margin is greater on a 350 congf'd Bus.

Any idea the 744 cost on the above post of a 744 by BA LHR-LOS and remember that's a good 10-hour or so trip.
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RE: World's Most Lucrative Route

Wed Sep 10, 2003 8:12 am

That's direct costs. Total cost is any where from 35% to 55% more of the actual hourly cost.

I ran some number for BA a few months ago, this is actual cost:

LHR to LOS:

Trip Cost: $66,918 (Total Cost)
Seat Cost: $183
ASM: $.0590

LHR to LAX:

Trip Cost: $117,704
Seat Cost: $320.84
ASM: $.0590

(Fares on this route are offset by some very good First and Business class fares. Coach should be around $350 RT, Business at $1200 and First at $3000.)

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