petazulu
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Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:06 am

OK, Lets say an airliner makes an emergency landing at JFK (think of the AA incident last week) with a nose gear issue. I have a few questions:

Who pays to fix runway damages and the towing of the aircraft?

Does the airline have to pay a landing fee?

Do they pay for the foam from the firetrucks?

How about the operational time of the emergency services (6 trucks for 6 hours, etc)

I wondering if this is included in the landing fees paid to airports, or if it is charged as a billable service back to the airline?
 
azo
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 3:25 am

I think the actual emergency services (time, equipment, personnel) are included in fees. The damage caused is another story, one which I do not have an answer to.
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:07 am

If there is no damage, then no one pays anything. If there is damage say, to an airfield, the airline pays either cash or by insurance. Removal of the aircraft is the responsibility of the carrier, whether it be by flight or by flat bed.
 
fly727
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:16 am

Those are services that are inherent to the airport operation, thus, they should not be charged extra. I'm pretty sure they are included in the airport taxes and rents just as AZO mentioned.

About the damage to airport property such as runways and/or buildings it is the airline's insurance company who pays.

RM
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petazulu
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:29 am

that is intriguing. What if a plane made a diversion to an airport it does not operate out of, then the town or other carriers would be burdened with the cost of the emergency operation. The airport might also have been closed for a while because the company was slow to move the craft. I don't want to sound crass, but the closure of a runway at JFK is a significant revenue loss for airlines and airports I would think.
 
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 4:56 am

The aircraft operator is "ALWAYS" liable for any damages incurred. As for emergency services, no and yes. If they simply roll trucks to respond, but don't provide any AFFF or Paramedic support, then there is no cost. If the plane crashes, then the airline picks up the tab on personnel and equipment, but only to certain limits.
 
fly727
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:00 am

Legal and insurance services are not things you contract verbally. They are all written in several pages that includes the unimaginable. The scenario you are presenting it is not something out of this world, it has happened before, so the airlines and -specially- the insurance agencies have worked solutions for it. The insurance contracts are very tight, they leave no space for interpretation at all as they refer to multi-million dollar risks and property. I hardly believe there's a potentially dangerous situation or risk which the insurance agents have not thought about.

RM
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codeshare
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 5:06 am

The airline covers costs like:
- fire engines and other emergency service units
- handling of luggage
- fees for using a stand
- fees for leakage of fuel, oil etc.

Operational time: each airport has fees for that. Eg. (I'm not sure about this) extra cash for additional security per hour.

How much A is there is Airliners Net ? 0 or nothing ?
 
Tom in NO
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 6:54 am

I just double-checked a couple of things with my airport's accounting department, and I'll take your questions in the order asked:

1) runway damages and towing: runway damages would usually be covered in under the airports' insurance (never happened in my 16 1/2 years at MSY). With regards to towing, the airline is responsible for contracting it, and paying it.

2) landing fee: airline pays in any case

3) fire truck foam: airport pays

4) operational time of emergency services: airport pays for airport personnel. Off-site agencies depends on type of service rendered.

Tom at MSY
"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
 
7E7
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:12 am

http://www.qatarairways.com/News/July2003_7.htm

Under these circumstances, considering QR covers the additional costs or re-routing landing etc, would this fortunate mother be held liable by any chance?

My wild guess tells me if this had happened on a QF flight, the first letter she would be getting is a bill from Qantas to cover for the 'damages', instead of congratulations on the 'excellent delivery'.

Another question: will she earn extra Q-mileage on her FF account?

[Edited 2003-09-10 00:15:54]
 
petazulu
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:13 am

Thanks Tom! I know its kind of random info. But I was wondering...
 
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RE: Do Airlines Pay For Emergency Services?

Wed Sep 10, 2003 7:40 am

It depends on where you are. Each airport has different policies. Tom MSY is getting ripped if they are picking up the tab on all of that, unless such coverage is provided to your signatory carriers.