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AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:25 pm

...but will this mean inprovements in service and/or radical changes ?
Will

PARIS (AFP) - The French government is to decide by the end of the year whether Air France should be privatised or form an alliance with the Dutch airline KLM, junior Transport Minister Dominique Bussereau said.

Bussereau, speaking Tuesday on BFM radio, said: "In any case, it will be before the end of the year that things will happen."

He added that Air France is in talks with other companies and with French Finance Minister Francis Mer, Transport Minister Gilles de Robien and himself.

The French government holds 54.4 percent of Air France and is seeking to bring its stake down to below 20 percent.

Mer said last month Air France was fully prepared for privatisation but that it would not make financial sense to privatise immediately.

Air France has been looking for new commercial allies in Europe to beef up the Skyteam alliance, which includes the French carrier.

KLM has long been looking for a merger partner, but advanced talks in the past with British Airways and Alitalia fell through.

"KLM is a company that has had problems but which remains nonetheless an important figure in air transport," Bussereau said, noting the airline's hub at Schipol, near Amsterdam, has high-speed rail links to Charles de Gaulle airport, Air France's hub north of Paris.

"So a link between these two companies doesn't seem absurd to me," he added.
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 8:47 pm

Good luck finding share buyers. AF will stagger along with perhaps a further partial privatization, then the Government will step in when it appears that failure is imminent.
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:05 pm

Hmmm...have I mentioned that I AM an AF shareholder ?
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:19 pm

KLM is a company that has had problems but which remains nonetheless an important figure in air transport

 Wow!  Wow!

My God, what an arrogance .. says a governement which has pumped in billions and billions to keep Air France alive for decades.. leaving the rest of the euro carriers angry & frustrated..

KLM was privitized & proved to be able successfully operate & grow on its own feet a long time ago..

Perhaps cooperations should stay limited with these kind of folks at the steering wheel ...


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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:21 pm

I hope this won't prevent them to hire new pilots, they do need fresh blood.

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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:50 pm

Oh blimey - strikes galore then ! Les syndics are going to go mental.
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 9:55 pm

This is a never-ending story, and I just won't believe anything until it happens....btw, this has nothing to do with my feelings about the airline itself...I think the service has always been very good - why does the State have to give them money? I'm sure they could compete fine without it.
 
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:24 pm

Hello

One thing that is maybe going to happen is that AF will cancel a lot of regional routes after privatization.
Routes that are not profitable but are kept alive by the government today to link the various French regions.

This is just a guess but happens most of the times when a transportation company privatizes.

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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:33 pm

Even privatized they will continue to receive government subsidies for these routes as it is a state obligation to provide transportation options from/to "remote" places.
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:37 pm

it is a state obligation to provide transportation options from/to "remote" places

Oh, I thought that was Ryanair's job.  Laugh out loud
 
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:44 pm

DoorsToManual - yeah well there's remote, and there's the middle of bloody nowhere. 20 miles beyond that, is where FR flies to  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:56 pm

Even privatized they will continue to receive government subsidies for these routes as it is a state obligation to provide transportation options from/to "remote" places.
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Well, then explain me why they don't fly to CMF anymore (which is neither remote, nor in the middle of nowhere)

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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:59 pm

Remember they fly to LYS, GNB and NCY ? what else do you want ? LFLE ?
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:00 pm

Who don't fly to CMF - Ryanair or AF - I don't think AF ever did, did they ? Nobody does now, according to Amadeus anyway. And sorry, but it IS in the middle of nowhere - halfway up an Alp in Savoie, isn't it ? Not so far from GVA, maybe you could fly there and take a bus.
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:02 pm

AF used to have an ORY to CMF route before it got axed :

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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:07 pm

Was that one of JY's 146's ? Before they became Flybe ?
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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:09 pm

And sorry, but it IS in the middle of nowhere - halfway up an Alp in Savoie

Well, sorry, but CMF is actually quite central. LYS and NCY could be okay for someone living in Chambery, but don't forget there is more in Savoie than Chambery. A great deal of industry is located in Savoie, most often at one hour drive from CMF, but two hours from the other airports... We do lack the commercial connexion to Paris we used to have.

As for a commercial liaison useless IMO, they could ax GNB and replace it by CMF. Mind you, CMF is actually closer to Grenoble than GNB !!!

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RE: AF To Be Privatized By Year-end

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:12 pm

As Flybe (formerly British European) is an AF partner operating flights for AF, they have aircraft operating in full AF livery with AF crew and interiors (G-JEBA, G-JEBB, and G-JEBC being the BaE 146-300's).
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