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To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:38 pm

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents to the continuing debate as to whether or not the 7E7 is actually going to go forward.

I just finished a 4-month stint with BCA Information Systems, specifically supporting finance. And without divulging anything confidential, I can tell you that, at least in my mind, the 7E7 is 99.5% sure to go forward.

BCA is devoting a SIGNIFICANT portion of it's funding for 2004 for projects which are for the 7E7. If the 7E7 doesn't go forward, they'd be wasting millions. 7E7 is pretty much bulletproof. Within Boeing, anything that has 7E7 attached to it, gets whatever it wants. Many of these projects have a horrible pain/gain ratio, but because they're a 7E7 enabler, they're getting the green light from the various funding gates (SIDT, IWG, etc..)
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:48 pm

The 7E7 is already in advanced planning stages. Those who still think Boeing is not going to build it should be few in number by now and shrinking daily. These might be the same people who are still saying the A380 will not fly. They'll deny it 'till the very end. . .when the tires lift from the runway.

To say Boeing will not build the 7E7 is basically saying, "There will never be a 787, and there will not ever be a replacement for the 757 or 767." And that's simply not true.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:53 pm

That's nice - but just not that sharksfin tail - makes it look like its got a surfboard strapped to the roofrack.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:00 am

Granted, appearances are important; but they are small in significance compared to performance.

And besides, I happen to think the "sharkfin tail" is sweet looking. I think the 7E7 (especially the one that surfaced with the Delta livery) is stunning!
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:03 am

That's good news. It does look like the 7E7 Dreamliner will become reality in 2008. It will sure be given the official green light and be formally launched sometimes next year with at least one major airline placing a firm order. In six months from now, we'll know who the launch customer is.

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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going For

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:18 am

That's good news. The major source of concern remains whether Stonecipher and McDonnell keep their greedy paws off the program, let it have all the money it needs, and not starve it for the sake of "Shareholder Value", as we have been discussing in the last week in other threads. If those clowns had been on board in the early 90's, I shudder to think what would have become of the 777.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:39 am

While I have absolutely no doubt that BCA is 100.00% behind the 7E7, project go-ahead requires the approval of the full Boeing board. And from everything that I've read about their business priorities, I wouldn't be prepared to bet my house on it.

I hope it does fly (although I don't think it will look much like the original), because BCA needs it, and the world needs at least two healthy aircraft manufacturers.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:44 am

Anyone have a link to the "Delta" picture? I lost the link.
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:45 am

I can tell you right now, I would bet everything I own that this goes forward. I can't tell you how many hours we spent in our cubicles discussing the current situation. Much like the 747 situation, Boeing really is "betting the company" on this project. There is only one positive outcome for Boeing in this, that the 7E7 is a success. If Boeing either: a.) fails to make the plane, or b.) fails to make a plane that performs and sells well, then Boeing is finished. Simply put, we do not have the resources, or the time to start another project. Our credibility would be shot, and I would wager to say that Boeing would be largely out of the commercial aircraft business in 25 years if the 7E7 does not come off.

The 7E7 HAS to go through, and has to do well. We all know that, otherwise we're all out of a job. We are all feeling the pressure, the intensity and the determination to do this right. Don't get me wrong, I firmly believe that we will emerge from this victorious and that the 7E7 will be right up there with every other quality airplane that we have ever made. But in the event that it isn't, we're finished.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:48 am

Do they have customers for it yet ? AB waited till they had letters of intent for 100 aircraft before giving the go ahead for the A380, didn't they ? Or is this the go ahead to go and try and find customers ?
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:48 am

Here's the link for the Delta picture:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1185519/

[Edited 2003-09-11 17:55:10]
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:51 am

No, this is the go-ahead to build. And I have a feeling that they have customers already, but they are keeping it quiet until everything is hammered out.

I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but that's one difference between Airbus and Boeing: Airbus will announce anything that comes it's way, even if it's not a sure thing. Boeing tends to keep it's cards close and not announce anything until it's for sure. Sort of a "don't count your chickens before the eggs hatch" kind of thing. Boeing has always been known for being a very conservative shop...
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:57 am

My God, that's beautiful in the Delta colors. I hope they do not change the look of the airplane, but according to some recent posts it looks like they may. Let's hope they keep this unique and gorgeous design.
 
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Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:15 am

BCAInfoSys: I'm sure I'll get flamed for this, but that's one difference between Airbus and Boeing: Airbus will announce anything that comes it's way, even if it's not a sure thing. Boeing tends to keep it's cards close and not announce anything until it's for sure. Sort of a "don't count your chickens before the eggs hatch" kind of thing. Boeing has always been known for being a very conservative shop...

Why should anybody flame you for that? I just don´t see evidence for this statement... At least as far as I´ve watched things proceed, it´s Boeing whose track is littered with mis-started projects in the past years... Maybe I just don´t remember, but which "paper planes" had Airbus announced and then buried again?

Don´t get me wrong, I wish Boeing every bit of success with the 7E7 and any further projects. I just don´t understand your statement.
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:19 am

I wasn't referring to mis-started projects, I was referring to orders. Granted, I don't have any evidence to back up what I've said; I've just heard a lot from various people I've spoken with (inside and outside of Boeing), that John Leahy loves to jump on every chance he can to slam Boeing. I've be told that a lot of their "announced" orders are really orders that are tenative, at best, which later don't come to fruition.

What I meant by my post is that Boeing (to my knowledge), has never announced an order that wasn't signed, sealed and delivered.

Granted, I am not very knowledge in this subject so I could very well be wrong...
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:21 am

The whale-tail looks nice for Delta, but it will look pretty wierd with a more geometric tail design eg. AF or SAA. Besides, I'm wondering if Joe Passenger will go for it - it does looks like its been left in the sun too long and warped.

And what's with the slight bubble over the forward fuselage ? Is that for extra-headroom or larger overhead bins for First ? Or maybe the lurv-cabins as proposed by BCAInfoSys in the post about overhead crew rests earlier today.

[Edited 2003-09-11 18:22:12]
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:24 am

Ah, I hadn´t noticed you were talking about order announcements.

I don´t take marketeers too seriously anyway... And the schoolyard-like bickering between the camps has always been a little silly on both sides...  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:29 am

Airbus will announce anything that comes it's way, even if it's not a sure thing. Boeing tends to keep it's cards close and not announce anything until it's for sure.

Sonic Cruiser, 747X,... No need tosay more.

I've be told that a lot of their "announced" orders are really orders that are tenative, at best, which later don't come to fruition.

Every order that is announced by Airbus is AT LEAST an MoU or LoI. The same goes for Boeing. Would you care to name some of the orders which were 'tentative' and didn't come to fruition?

What I meant by my post is that Boeing (to my knowledge), has never announced an order that wasn't signed, sealed and delivered.

You might want to check your history. Both announce their orders at the same stage: when an MoU or LoI is signed.
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 1:54 am

The question is : what kind of aircraft will the 7E7 be ? Sure Boeing can build it, but will it have all the characteristics Boeing promises ? What will it look like ? The current images are just propaganda, they want the 7E7 to be perceived as innovative and modern.
Maybe it will do all Boeing promises, but let's see and wait.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:40 am

Can anyone name an airplane that Boeing designed from a clean sheet of paper that didn't perform as advertised?

I can't remember any that didn't meet the stated performance requirements.
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 8:24 pm

The 7E7 is not designed yet, they're still working on it.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 8:32 pm

The pictures you see of the 7E7 now are based on early windtunnel tests on several proof of concept models.
Expect the final product to be different in detail, not principle (that goes for the outside, the inside is of course highly dependent on what the customers want).

I agree that Boeing is perceived to do less well because they don't announce orders which aren't signed.
Airbus will announce a letter of intent (or even an agreement to sign a letter of intent) as a firm order, then a few months later announce the same order again when it becomes a firm order (if that happens).
Boeing won't announce anything until the deal is signed.

I've also seen Airbus announcing options as being firm orders. The KLM deal for 6 A330s and 16 options was announced by Airbus as an order for 22 aircraft for example, which is a blatant lie (and premature at that because at that stage it was an LOI only)...
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 8:36 pm

Very well put Jwenting, you enunciated my thoughts much better then I could. You've just made my respected user's list.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:07 pm

BCAInfoSys,

First of all, welcome to the forums.  Smile

Second, I really am curious, but what's your opinion of the 7e7 design? It's a little too early to tell what the final version will be like but do you think it'll look closer to the one in the Delta colours, linked above, or do you think it'll look closer to the concept drawing on Boeing's website, which shows a much more "sharklike" nose to the plane?

I don't expect that you'll have any inside info. I'm just interested in your opinion. I'm HOPING that the nose of the plane will look just like the one picture in the Delta image....it looks like a comet nose ans is really appealing. The shark nose of the other image...doesn't do much for me. Your thoughts?

 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:23 pm

I think it's the 'concept car' scenario. I imagine the production bird will have a more conventional look....likely using the same section 41 from the 767/777 (that would save design cost...and tooling).
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 10:33 pm

I'm a believer!

They better keep working on it, because 767s are getting old.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Fri Sep 12, 2003 11:29 pm

That Delta pic looks great, but I'm sure the Delta c/s would look great on the A380 as well. . . so I'm not surprised. I think Delta's tail colors help the tail look even better than many other airlines would. I would have liked to see Delta put their old Delta Triangle logo on that curved tail! Now that would have been interesting.

I haven't seen any other version of the "sharkfin" tail, so it is starting to seem as if Boeing might just stick with it for the most part. Seems to work in wind tunnel tests thus far. Does anybody know different?
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:04 am

In my opinion, Boeing has already gotten an internal go-ahead for the 7E7 based on the following customers:

1. Lufthansa (LH). LH wants a true A300B/A310 replacement and the A330-200 is too heavy a plane for such an application.

2. Japan Airlines (JL). JL wants the plane for some Japanese domestic routes and regional routes in Asia.

3. All-Nippon Airways (NH). NH wants the plane for the same reason as JL.

4. TUI Group (Brittania, Hapag-Lloyd, Corsair). TUI wants a plane that has enough range to fly from central Europe to US West Coast, South America and eastern Asia easily for inclusive tour packages.

5. Air China (CA), China Southern Airlines (CZ) and China Eastern Airlines (MU). These Chinese airlines want a modern plane to fly busy intra-China routes (e.g., AA), China">PEK to CAN) and to provide service on Asian regional routes.

6. Malaysian Airlines (MH). The A330's MH is now flying are too heavy for regional routes from KUL and they could use a more efficient plane.

7. Continental Airlines (CO). Use for international flight expansion from EWR and IAH.

8. Delta Airlines (DL). DL will use the 7E7 to replace the oldest 767-200's and 767-300ER's. DL will also use the new plane for expanded transatlantic service and expanded service to South America.

Further down the road, I see two other airlines wanting the 7E7:

1. American Airlines (AA). AA will replace its 767-200 and some 767-300's with this plane.

2. United Airlines (UA). UA will buy the plane for the same reason AA has.

One thing that may have already sealed the deal to produce the 7E7 is the potential for a major order from the United States Air Force (USAF). A freighter variant of this plane could become the plane to finally allow the USAF to phase out its rapidly-aging KC-135 fleet, plus possible sales as VIP transport, ELINT/SIGNIT platform (replacing the rapidly-aging RC-135 fleet) and even possibly as a platform for the combined AWACS/JSTARS radar platform. Just the USAF order could mean about 300-400 planes purchased after 2008.
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:08 am

I for one am not entirely sure what the final design will be, and some of it I'm not at liberty to say. This summer I got a look at some of the things the design folks were drawing up in response to what the engineers gave them. And I have to tell you, it looks pretty exciting! I also personally like the "Delta nose" better, I prefer the gentle curves rather then the sharper lines of the other noses.

In regards to the design, I think that the exterior has a lot of potential; I'm very much in favor of the sleeker nose, wings and tail; a very well put together package. Initially I was very put off by some of the concept drawings for the interior, but that really was just to stir up some speculation and talk on the subject on Boeing's part. The interiors display center in Tukwila just finished up the latest version of the 7E7 interior and I was able to get a peek just before I left. Granted, it will probably change a lot between now and production, and as we all know, interiors are determined by the airlines. That not withstanding, I think that the 7E7 has a lot of potential. This bird is going places!

And Aloha, thanks for the welcome. I've been a non-participating observer of the forums for about a year now, but I figured it was time to shell out the dough and join the discussions!  Laugh out loud
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:04 am

Well Ray, I can tell you that from what I know, it has not yet gotten the go-ahead. In the mind of Boeing employees, we have no doubt that it's going forward and we work with that assumption. However, it still has to go through the formal approval process. Boeing is all about bureaucracy; there's a lot of it. But I have no doubt that this project will be officially green-lighted late this year or early next.
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 4:37 am

BCA:

Are you at liberty to say whether some of the designs for the 7e7 you saw had a nose similar to the "Delta nose" rather than the shark nose?

Are you at liberty to say which seems to be more popular?

Don't want you to say anything that'll get you in trouble but just curious.  Smile
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:24 am

of course it is going forward, it's the 787 first flight summer 2009 [  Yeah sure ], it looks like everything they have ever done in the last 30 years and there is no reason for it's cancellation.

meeting inital goals however...as one cosmonaut said, "American have the tendency to over do it, success depends paitients, as time is money."

I wish I remembered his name.
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Sat Sep 13, 2003 7:02 am

Thank you, BCAInfoSys, for your insight; you're probably as close to a Boeing insider as we've got. If any Boeing employees in the the know are airliners.net members, you can bet they're not at liberty to post anything that could be traced back to them. I've felt that this program would likely fly because Boeing is aware its' credibility is at stake and that another veto on top of the high-profile scuttles of the 747X and the Sonic Cruiser would cause a serious, even crippling loss of airline and market confidence, especially during a period when Airbus has been so progressive. They really need to do this and I think they realize it. I'm still worried about McDonnell & Stonecipher on the board but hoping logic will drown out any naysaying they do. Maybe those two will even see the error of their past ways and say yes to avoid history repeating itself (well, we can hope)! There's probably never been more pressure on BCA; this time not only do they have to do it, they have to do it absolutely right. There's no room for error on this venture, their entire future in the commercial airliner biz is probably at stake, as opposed to Airbus, which probably could survive a failure of the A380 program. It really IS put up or shut up time at Boeing!  Wow!
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:50 am

It really is put up or shutup time. There's kind of a fatalistic mentality running around. With as deep as the cuts have gone, and with the stakes as high as they are, people are understandbly nervous about their futures.

So everyone support Boeing in whatever way they can, and hope for the best!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 8:59 am

And you wanna know the reason why Airbus could survive an A380 flop? They're not liable for a dime of the R&D if they don't break even! Risk free development!
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sat Sep 13, 2003 9:15 am

Right, BCAInfoSys. They don't have to pay the A380 government loans for 33% of development cost back if the progam isn't profitable. Still, they'd take a big hit for all of the private capital they had to raise, it would likely severely impact their product development for a number of years. But I think Airbus, buoyed by the governments of the respective partners and support from its' EADS parent would probably go on. I think, conversely, the Boeing parent would close the commercial airplane division in time if this latest venture backfires. Boeing, the corporation, would then be mostly a military business. I doubt the U.S. gov't. would step in to bail out a truly failing BCA (and don't mention the KC767 tanker lease, that's not a bailout, regardless of what John McCain thinks), especially now with the huge budget deficits GWB and Co. are running up.
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:16 am

Dream all you want, but BCA wouldn´t be allowed to fail any more than Airbus... Boeing commercial is considered a strategic asset to the US economy (and it is).

So only Boeing itself could get itself killed by "Enron-izing" itself to death...
 
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Sun Sep 14, 2003 12:29 pm

Dream all you want, but BCA wouldn´t be allowed to fail any more than Airbus... Boeing commercial is considered a strategic asset to the US economy (and it is).

So only Boeing itself could get itself killed by "Enron-izing" itself to death...
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We have been over this many times. Boeing itself may not be allowed to fail, becuase of its defense business. But ya better believe that its commercial airplane business can and very well could fail under the right circumstances. If Boeing's board decided that the commercial business was no longer viable and let it die the way McDonald Douglas let its commercial business die, there is precious little the government could do about it. Also.....since more and more gets contracted out these days,final assembly/design team sites are going to be less and less relevant in the future and the government knows it. Very few who actually work in that field in the US think this way, and for good reason.
 
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RE: To All Those Who Doubt If The 7E7 Is Going Forward

Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:33 pm

Contracted out is right.. outsourcing is the name of the game. It really cuts deep, especially for those of us in IS. Everything is being sent overseas. There are virtually no programmers left at Boeing. Everything is sent to Russia, Mexico and India!  Pissed

I really hate the outsourcing trend that is running rampant throughout the technology sector.
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Sun Sep 14, 2003 8:37 pm

That´s exactly what I meant by "Enron-izing": Dumping one core competency after the other until only an empty shell with maximum short-term "shareholder value" remains - which quickly crumbles at the earliest opportunity.

I see a real danger of that happening to Boeing; And as much as I´m behind "the other team", I hate to see something disintegrate that undoubtedly has/had such enormous merits and potential for future development...

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