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CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Fri Sep 12, 2003 4:14 pm


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To my knowledge, no Star Alliance member has ordered the CRJ900 so far, so it seems Bombardier painted it for promotional purposes?

Pascal, great shot with the regional jet lineup!

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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Fri Sep 12, 2003 6:11 pm



When will the Star Alliance airlines take their final decision for
the reg.jet order? Around 100 jets?

Does anyone have any info about the "hottest" candidate?

The A318 isn´t that just the same size as the B737-600 operated by SAS?

 
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Fri Sep 12, 2003 7:43 pm

I think Tyrolean did a order of 12 CRJ-900 , but I don't know if they will get them in Star Colours.. would be nice though...  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I think a STAR CRJ is for a member of the OS Group because Pascal wrote the name Austrian in the remark, but i see no Austrian colours, so maybe a Star aircraft?!  Insane
 
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:37 pm

But Austrian is in the Star buyer group, so that doesn't make too much sense then (unless they continue with their aircraft zoo tradition...) I think Tyrolean had options or an LOI on the CRJ900 that was never firmed up.
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:13 am

OK - here is the ranking of chances (my personal opinion).

1. A318 - very likely to be a winner. All of these airlines (DLH,AUA,SAS,ACA) already fly on A320 families. That would be logic addition with low crew training costs. They have been purchasing buses in the recent years. Additionally Lufthansa which is likely to have the biggest influence on final decision have been buying only Airbuses for a long time. In fact they buy every Airbus in the offer (A300, A310, A319, A320, A321, A330, A340, A380).

2. CRJ900 - second place. Canadian lobby in Air Canada will probably push to go this way. DLH also have a lot of CRJ as well as Tyrolean (AUA group). Does not feet to SAS fleet though but SAS fleet is really strange and inconsistent.

3. ERJ170 - some chance. This one has probably one huge advantage - price. However it is hard to imagine ERJs in DLH, AUA or SAS fleet.

4. B717 - unfortunately probably no chance. That is really nice place but completely does not feet to their fleets. Specially to Lufthansa. SAS and AUA do have MDs but AUA decided to replace them by A320 family and SAS will not have enough power to persuade other to this one.

What are your opinions guys?

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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:25 am

Analysts have the order split--not sure why (what do they know?).

So, I'll say that 318 and CRJ700 will get it.
No particular reason.

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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:10 am

Did Lufthansa order CRJs?

The other CRJ has no Star Alliance Member logo at the front painted yet
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:12 am

LH was the launch customer for the CRJ a dozen years ago....they have 100/200/700's (not sure on the 100's).
 
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:37 am

Danny,
I think your assessment is right on the money. The A318 is the most likely winner, what with so many members of the Star Alliance operating other variants of the A320 family. But the Bombardier also has many CRJs placed with them as well, so a split Airbus/Bombardier order seems like the most likely scenario to me as Greg said.

Too bad for the 717.

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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 1:42 am

The chosen RJ type will be operated by a new division within SAS,at the time known only as RJ.
SAS and the pilot unions have finalized an agreement which provides for lower pay and benefits than SAS Airline and SAS Commuter.
This means that choice of RJ aircraft will not be linked to what SAS already operates,as the new division will have it's own operations and technical staff.
A month or so ago,rumour had it that the 717 was the most likely choice.
Anyway,SAS will not decide whether it goes ahead with the acquisition or not until some time in 2004.
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 7:07 pm

i hate to disagree, guys, but in the german media there have been several articles in the last two months that were drawing a bright picture on the 717 (Boeing even offers to build a stretched -300 if it wins this order) and stating some Lufthansa officials that disliked the A318.

as none of us can´t say for sure and periodic news reports don´t necessarily draw the right conclusions, i highly doubt they´d go for the A318.
there´s several reasons, it´s too much of an airplane for regional operations, it´s too big and too heavy, has too much range and i believe it is not offered with those engines that LH operates its A319/A320s with. dunno if that is correct or even if that would be a problem since LH´s A321s have also a totally different engine type.
however, all these other airlines, OS, SK and AC were major operators of the DC-9s and MD-80s and they are believed to quite like them and are familiar with this type. the 717 isn´t much different but provides excellent operational costs on short hops.

but still, i do agree that somehow, the 717 seems to be quite a strange candidate, given the current fleets of those airlines.

and i either wouldn´t disregard the possibilities of those lovely Embraer 170s and 190s being eventually given the nod. although i have repeatedly stated on this board that Embraer is not favorized by Lufthansa, which was true, for some reasons they´re up in the running again.
it´s probably because they´re the only manufacturer offering "one" product from 70 to about 110 seats, which is not the case with Airbus, Boeing and Bombardier.
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sat Sep 13, 2003 7:57 pm

I don't think the CRJ is in the lead at all; Air Canada chief was complaining that "foreign" companies are in the lead. I predict Embraer 170/175 and 717 because the Embraers have more flexibility in the 70-100 market whereas Bombardier only has one real viable aircraft in that range (CRJ-900 is not), and that the 318 is way too overweight for its capacity.

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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:32 am


A318 is now operated by FRONTIER. Has anyone in this forum
flown the A318? How many seats? Just like a A319 but a bit smaller?

Without so much knowledge about aircrafttypes, the A318 for me is not a regional jet, like the CRJ or Embr and the upcoming order will be for RJs,
won´t it`?

 
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:33 am

I think that Boeing will get the order, as they can fill the orders the quickest. With the 717 being the only product on the line @ Long Beach, they can ramp up the production rate. Bombardier and Airbus have backlogs on their production lines, and the Embraer aircraft are still not in service (plus there is a backlog on the 170 line). Boeing has a backlog of 40 a/c on the 717 line, Airbus has a backlog of 84 a/c on the A318 line, Bombardier has a backlog of 112 a/c for the CRJ700/900. And Embraer still has not firmly set a entry into service date for the Embraer 170.
 
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:43 am

id have to say the 717 would probably win this order. SAS, Austrian, and Air Canada all operate(d) the 9s and 80s, the A318 is too heavy, and as SRBMOD said the 717 is the only plane on the line at LGB, thus, creating a quicker rollout for the 717
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:57 am

The 717 does not fullfill the 70 seat requirement.
 
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RE: CRJ900 In Star Alliance Colors

Sun Sep 14, 2003 11:35 am

It would be nice to see Boeing win this order and I hope they do!

Too bad FD couldn't be one of the candidates. They were beautiful!