FlyingDutchBoy
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2 New Aircrafts For MH

Fri Sep 12, 2003 8:55 pm

NEWS FLASH!
During the Malaysian National Budjet 2004 speech, the Malaysian PM also the Finance Minister announces that Penerbangan Malaysia Berhad (PMB), MAS parents company, to acquire (not leased, but buy) 2 new aircrafts for future Hajj operations (as well as for normal schedule flights during non-hajj season) and as part of hajj cost saving measurements.

MH and AK previously used B747-400 (MH) and B747-200 (AK) this reason.

B747-400/400ER or A380. Boeing or Airbus? or other a/c? I hope Boeing will take this opportunity and eventually MH will go for B747-400ER. What do you think?
 
MAS777
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:01 pm

I think they will probably be 2 747-4H6s. Wishful thinking would lead me to hope that they would be 2 777-3H6s since there will be the market demand on the Haj route but no problems with distance requiring the 747. Of course - the 773 would (unfortunately) not be in keeping with fleet commonality.
 
Triple Seven
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:05 am

It's probably the 2 747-4H6s that MH delayed deliveries - 9M-MPR and -MPS. If thats true I hope to see them with new interior (like QFs -438ERs).
 
Airbus Lover
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:50 am

And does this mean that during utilization for Hadj operations the seating has to be reconfigured?

Because if it is to be delivered in MAS' new revamped cabin featuring new First and Business Class, then it would be in a rather low capacity, maybe for a B744 it would seat 360 pax? In the past, AK had been wet leasing planes (B742s) from Air Atlanta Icelandic (and once from TowerAir IIRC) with an all-economy layout. Except for G-BDXJ which AK leased this year from European where there is a small cabin of premium economy.

It is most likely to be the two undelivered B744s or B772ERs. Strange however to see that the now government controlled airline is to add 2 planes to its fleet with main reason being for Hadj operations? AFAIK, MH's passenger fleet is more than enough for current schedules.

It would be great to see B773s in our fleet but then it would sort of overlap other routes and the A market version lacks the range for full load non-stop to Europe and a B773ER would share no engine commonality with our current RR-powered B777 fleet of 15 aircraft.

Interesting to see what is going to happen. IMHO, and like others have mentioned, most likely it is going to be those on order, not new orders. -MPR and -MPS are scheduled for delivery in 2007 and 2008, right? Who knows if they switch it to an -ER by then... When is the 2 other B772s scheduled for production at Boeing and delivery?
 
FlyingDutchBoy
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 4:41 am

It's not those on order. It is a NEW order.

It's long term not short term. And You must remember, few months ago, the chinese government has approved yet another landing rights/frequencies for MH and another new destinations within the panda land. In other words, MH mainland china expansion is on its way and to stay for a long time. MH and MOT (DOT in US) also seeks more landing rights in India, Vietnam and The philippines. Refer to Annual report.

On the other hand, the gov body/agency that handle hajj (called Tabung Haji) in malaysia has secure an agreement with saudi gov for extra/more hajj pilgrimages from Malaysia, plus the permanent residence for malaysian pilgrimages at the holy land has been completed and due for another expansion by the malaysian gov in the future to handle more and provide better security/comfort for the hajj pilgrimages. I don't know the exact amount of hajj pilgrimages from Malaysia, but you must remember it's not 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 but it's many many trips from KUL to Jeddah and back to Jeddah again.

Perhaps the new bill to be settle by TH Holding an investing arm of the Tabung Haji. Just like they did/invest in the KLIA Express/ERL projects.

On the other side, the 2 undelivered B744s or should I say the fleet modernisation (new B747/777) programme that led MH into bankruptcy was made during Naluri (privatise and made at wrong time) period not government or state controlled era.

About the seat configuration, i had no idea about that. But i tot, MH also has Golden Holidays for Hajj package, price available from First Class to Eco Class. I don't see the problem there.

Anyway, that's what i think from my point fo view. Because your PM clearly said "the gov will buy 2 new a/c..." buy is different from will get right? I just want to know which a/c?

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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:01 am

Flying Dutch,

Malaysia Airlines was never in bankruptcy. It was in the red from 1997-2002 during which it was fully privatised and was in charge by Tajudin. Most of us know the real thing behind this but we should remain silent.

Last year the Government bailed out the airline at the share price so much higher than market price, a price that they paid the Government back then.

I have no idea if this will be a new order or the existing ones but MAS Engineers were not informed of any new addition to the fleet. We are now very careful with fleet management and even though we are to expand a lot in the coming years and we have the potential to do so, we will utilise currently fleet wisely.

The fleet renewal program was indeed made during privatised period in the early 90s, it did make MH have a young and advanced fleet but improper financial planning and poor management of the Company the airline was put into a dive.

Boeing people did come to Kuala Lumpur last month to "market", promote and introduce the 7E7 to our airline and our top management was indeed very interested in them. Our A333 fleet is already around 8 years now and will be old by 2008 and thus requiring replacement. Nonetheless, there was no mention of our airline interested in any other variants (for pax ops) therefore we assume it could only be something we already operate, A330, B777 or B744. Cargo ops is making the airline a lot of money and we are looking to expand capacity via addition of craft to the fleet, decision has yet to be made and we might lease it or buy it-- could be an MD11F, or more B742F but B744F is appealing to the Management.
 
ConcordeBoy
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:04 am

Of course - the 773 would (unfortunately) not be in keeping with fleet commonality.

um, how exactly do you come to that [incorrect] conclusion??
Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre c'est impossible sans Concorde!
 
Airbus Lover
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:48 am

Perhaps he meant B773ER which shares no engine commonality with our RR-powered fleet.

We would find no use of B773 in our fleet really... lacks the range. except for Oz but then again we are focusing on B777/B744.
 
FlyingDutchBoy
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 10:35 am

Airbus_Lover: It's comfirm NEW order. I just read the full Federal Budjet Speech Text on MOF website. PMB will buy 2 NEW a/c and leased to Tabung Haji.

Go to Treasury Malaysia, MOF Website:
http://www.treasury.gov.my/englishversionbaru/index.htm

Accept my apologise, yea red balance sheet, bankruptcy is a false statement. now back into black.  Big thumbs up

Yup, indeed... Boeing and PMB official due to meet for fourth "in-deepth" meeting. When? When MH going to replace it's B737s? Most of them more than 10 years right? Also hope MH will be the launch customer for 7E7, Boeing has put lots of afford/investment in Malaysia.

Dank U and Terima Kasih  Smile
 
Triple Seven
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:06 pm

There is a possibility that those two new aircrafts may not wear MAS colors. MAS, after its WAU (Widespread Assets Unbundling) program, is merely a marketing entity. MAS no longer carries any physical assets. PMB could logically now form another 'marketing' entity to handle the haj and charter program.
 
777MAS
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sat Sep 13, 2003 4:11 pm

You must remember, few months ago, the chinese government has approved yet another landing rights/frequencies for MH and another new destinations within the panda land. In other words, MH mainland china expansion is on its way and to stay for a long time. MH and MOT (DOT in US) also seeks more landing rights in India, Vietnam and The philippines

In view of these, the 772 might be better. But then, they may want to reconfigure the seating to have more Economy Class seats during the Hajj season.
 
MAS777
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RE: 2 New Aircrafts For MH

Sun Sep 14, 2003 1:07 am

"...Perhaps he meant B773ER which shares no engine commonality with our RR-powered fleet..."

...exactly my point...


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