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1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:07 am

Hello,

I have read that the first flight ever was made by a German and not by the Wrights. Is this true?

They have written that this German man did not announce his flight before he did it (but the Wrights did it) and so the world is thinking that the Wrights are the first people who did make the first flight of the world.

Could you tell me something about this?

 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:16 am

The first manned flight with a craft heavier than air was performed by Otto Lilienthal, in Germany.

The first motorized flight (in a craft heavier than air) was performed in the USA.

The first flight that never took place was performed in England by Sir Cayley  Big grin
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:21 am

And the first balloon flight was done much earlier by a Frenchman, I believe, though I'm not too informed about lighter-than-air vehicles.

The guy who did not announce his flight was Cayley - later it was claimed his plane flew (and he apparently forced his butler to be the experimental pilot, which is allegedly why he never made a claim - it was not exactly legal). This is not proven to date.

The proven and claimed first flight was Otto Lilienthal.
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:23 am

The French people where the brother Mongolfieres. Hence the word "mongolfiere" in the French language for a hot air ballon.
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:54 am

Otto Lilienthal built a glider, which did fly with him on board in 1891, over 10 years before the Write Bros. flight. He also became the first aviation fatality when his glider crashed in 1896.



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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:40 am

So what digital camera did the a.net photographer use back then?  Smile
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:44 am

The first ever flight by a heavier-than-air motorized aircraft was made by a Kiwi Richard Pearce, several months before the Wright brothers!

 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 6:55 am

Just further to that, here's a link to some information on the great pioneer.

I used to believe the Wright Brothers theory, but after further research, believe that Pearse was first...

http://www.nzedge.com/heroes/pearse.html
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 9:07 am

Interesting article. It seems that Pearse should have tried to find a few spotters like us to take a few pictures of the flight however.  Wink/being sarcastic

"To the exasperation of believers and skeptics alike, and the source of the controversy over whether or not Pearse "flew", no details of the flight were recorded, by Pearse or onlookers. Unlike the Wright’s attempt in Kitty Hawk, no one in Waitohi wielded a camera or measured the airspeed of the gorse-bound transit. No proof exists to pinpoint the date or offer proof of the flight: records of the visit Pearse made to the local hospital after injuring his collarbone in the fall were destroyed in a fire, and a photo of the aircraft prone in the hedge, taken by a professional photographer the day after the flight, was later destroyed in flooding."

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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 12:53 pm

But it wasn't a controlable aircraft.

That is the reason why Hiram Maxims aircraft was also not considered the first working aircraft either.

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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:17 pm

Pearse CLAIMED to have flown, but there was noone who could certify that claim.
At the initial attempt he later claimed to have been before the Wright brothers flew he was alone.
At a later attempt where there were people it was too late.
As to a crashphoto, that doesn't show the aircraft flying controlled (if anything it shows that is was not controlled flight).
There were many attempts at powered flight before the Wright brothers, all of them ended in crashes during takeoff, often killing the aviateur.

The Wright brothers flew several times on that faithful december day in 1903, during all but the first flight demonstrating not just control in landing the aircraft without damage but also demonstrating controlled turns, climbs and descends. Noone was able to do that until after they filed for their patents which were blatantly copied and stolen.

In one case a fellow American took them to court to discredit their claim of first flight saying they had stolen his ideas. The aircraft in question was in storage at the Smithsonian at the time. The Wright brothers together with the court went to the museum and found the aircraft under construction with hasty modifications to include items from the Wright patent. Case closed.

There is also a claim from Brazil, but the aircraft Dantos Dumas operated clearly shows design features copied piece for piece from the Wright Flyer patent application so his claim can be discounted as well.
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 13, 2003 2:34 pm

My great grandfather flew a manned, powered, contolled flight in Oregon in 1901. Can I prove it? No. Just as the followers of Pearce cannot.

Allright then. Let's just add this. The first provable manned, powered, controlled flight was on December 17, 1903 at Kill Devil Hills.

BTW, my great grandfathers never (either one) never saw an airplane. I was just pointing out the absurdity of Pearce claim.
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:30 pm

Ever wonder why there is an Air Force base and a decent sized city named after Langley? What did he really do for flight other than prove that an over-engineered and overfunded bundle of sticks can fall into the Potomac river? Also as a native of Dayton Ohio I take great offense at the way Kitty Hawk North Carolina tries to not mention where the Wrights were from.. All North Carolina contributed to powered flight was wind.. I guess when you think about it thats about all Langley contributed as well. just some thoughts
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Wed Sep 24, 2003 5:16 pm

The first flight was indeed done by Lilienthal.

The first motorized take-off was done by Weisskopf in 1901. However, this is not counted since he had trouble doing a "landing".

The first real motorized flight was done in the U.S.

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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:27 am

No, No, No, No, !!!!

The first ever "airplane" was invented and built by a French man called Clément ADER.

His plane called "Eole" was equipped with a single two-cylinders steam engine, and flew for the first time in park of the "Château d'Armanvilliers" on OCTOBER 9th 1890 (Otto Lilienthal first flight took place on Dec.31st 1891. He was at that occasion the very first man to be photographed in the air ).

Clément ADER 's Eole flew the distance of 50 meters at an "altitude" of 20/25 cm (= 10/12 inches...).
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:14 am

No, Ader did not invent the airplane - Leonardo da Vinci did (and a primitive rotorcraft as well). Sure they did not fly but the concept was there. As well, Ader did not acheive controlled flight. As someone once wrote in jest, just because Ader went over a bump that threw his craft into the air does not demonstrate that it "flew".
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 6:19 am

Jwenting

Santos Dumont, the "guy" you mentioned for the Brazilian claim made his flight in Paris 1906 and he has the honor to have made the first

SELF SUPORTED FLIGHT.

The plane is called "14bis" and he was not catapulted like the WBrothes, but rather he took of and landed using engine power and the propellers push.

Later on he developed another design called "Demoiselle" and used it as his personal "car" flying through Paris and landing on parks close to his friends' homes. Both planes can be seen at "Musee del'air" at Le Bourget.

He was also the guy who had the idea for the wrist-watch, and commissioned Cartier to make a custom model for him, and if I am not mistaken it is still available on special order.
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 8:30 am

It was absolutely Leonardo Da Vinci.

Even the telephone was invented by an Italian, Mr. Meucci, and before the radio by Guglielmo Marconi, but the first that registered the telephone was Mr. Bell.
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 8:59 am

You are all wrong, way before anyone else there was in 800 A.D a certain Abbas IBN Farnas made the first flight, read on
http://www.khwarzimic.org/contribution-muslim/facts.html

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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:06 am

What is Taught: The first mention of man in flight was by Roger Bacon, who drew a flying apparatus. Leonardo da Vinci also conceived of airborne transport and drew several prototypes.

What Should be Taught: Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain invented, constructed and tested a flying machine in the 800's A.D. Roger Bacon learned of flying machines from Arabic references to Ibn Firnas' machine. The latter's invention antedates Bacon by 500 years and Da Vinci by some 700 years


taken form: http://cyberistan.org/islamic/sciencehistory.htm

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[Edited 2003-09-25 02:07:48]
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 9:11 am

here is another ;link i came scross stating history of flight

http://www.islamonline.net/english/science/2003/05/article04.shtml

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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:32 pm

Can someone show me a print of the photo Da Vinci took to prove he flew? Or any proof that anyone did it before the Wrights? With no proof really to back it up it looks like the boys from Dayton take the prize. Otherwise I could claim I made the first powered flight and I was not due to be born for another 77 years.. Pretty amazing huh.

(I did go to high school within 3 blocks of the house the Wrights built after they started making money on their invention so i may be a bit biased)
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:48 pm

The first ligher than air flight was made by the Mongolfier(sp) flyer. A hot air balloon made with wood and paper by the French. It was lifted by a large fire at the base. The first passengers were a duck, sheep and some other animal. At the time, it was belived that the smoke, not the expansion of air was the cause for the balloon to rise.

If I remember correctly, they put the animals in there because they were afraid humans may not be able to handle the effects of flight  Smile
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:39 pm

Startvalve

If everytime you want a picture as a proof, it means we have to discard all the history that happens before the invention of photography which means, Jesus never existed and so on.....

Keep your mind open and open yourself to world culture and history, not always the americans are right,

Now back to aviation topic...
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:09 am

Here come the flames... Got proof Jesus existed?
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 3:45 am

As a follow-up to my previous post. There is no definitive proof Jesus did exist. Many eastern religions and even a few western ones have no mention of Jesus anywhere. That means some people BELIEVE Jesus existed. There is a guy that sits around at my school with a bunch of girls that were never introduced to bras or razors who claims to be the son of god and he is probably as credible as anyone who has made or is making similar claims. As for things like the bubonic plague. There are literally thousands of accounts of what happened, how long it lasted etc. The proof Jesus was around amounts to one book written by a bunch of different guys many of whom never knew the guy and if they did what says they are not as nuts as the girls with too much body hair and hangy boobs. Also their story has been translated several times through history at who knows what cost to the content. Another example; dinosaurs, there is a preponderance of fossil evidence proving they walked the earth for thousands of years. But as for anyone other than the Wrights flying first they have the photographic proof so they did it. There is nothing conclusive saying Da Vinci or anyone else flew first, there are some theories yeah but if scientists wrote down theories as fact who knows where the world might be. so keep your own mind open

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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:19 am

Hello,

there is another story of a german aviator who supposedly flew a powered plane as the first or at least earlier than the wrights. I was a man called Karl Jatho who had his first powered flight someday in the summer of 1903. This flight took place in Hannover, Germany (my hometown). The area he used for this flight was later used as an airport until the second world war. This summer there was a celebration for the 100th aniversery of this event.

I don't know if his machine was fully controllable (which of the early planes was really fully controllable?). But he flew for a certain distance and landed safely. Aparantly this story is not that well known as Mr. Jatho did not search for popularity as the Wrights did. I wonder how many of this kind of aviators existed around the world.

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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 4:47 am

I hardly call what the Wrights did seeking fame. They simply wanted a return on investment and they did not want others to profit from what they learned (which is a hell of a lot more than anyone else doing the same thing at the time). And they recognized the potential that powered flight held and they knew if they did not cash in someone else would. Its not like flying was a silent competition, it got a lot of coverage in most newspapers and anyone who did not step up and claim being first would have to have been a fool.
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 5:32 am

First manned flight was in prehistoric times when a Neanderthal fell off a cliff. Not powered, and not a good landing. Witnesses are not credible due to underdeveloped frontal lobes.
 
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RE: 1st Flight Ever ... Made In Germany?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 5:43 am

if he broke wind while doing it does it count as powered flight?

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