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Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:01 am

Which airlines have perfect safety records of no fatalities.
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:03 am

Qantas has never had a jet-related Fatality... neither has WN.

Then, there are the newbies (B6, et al)
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:49 am

ATA: 30 years and counting...

Knock on wood.

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:50 am

Chalks flying since 1919 and never a passenger fatality!

Praise god it stays that way!
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 9:57 am

Air Jamaica and BWIA in the Caribbean. Also cayman Airways I think. there is a website that provides this information.
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:00 am

Virgin Atlantic I would assume hasn't had a fatality...

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 10:20 am

The website i referred to is airsafe.com
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:37 am

ATA baby, 30 years and counting. God willing, let's make it 30 more Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:40 am

Here's the list:

http://www.airsafe.com/events/nofatals.htm

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:42 am

I wrote the post before looking at the above list...

[Edited 2003-09-15 04:48:52]
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:44 am

Hawaiian Airlines!

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 11:52 am

The airsafe.com site lists the airlines without fatalities since 1970. MESABA and Aloha are the only two that were around before 1970. Mesaba was founded in 1944. That is quite a record for an airline from brutal northern Minnesota.


Airsafe.com
Aloha*
Mesaba*
( This would be from NWA. NW is not the parent company XJ. XJ is not a subsidiary of NW.)

* Airline has either a subsidiary or a parent airline that was responsible for at least one fatal event since 1970
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:05 pm

America West as well.

Champion Air I believe.

Thats all I can think of actually.

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:08 pm

Westjet as well, in fact they havent had a incident nither...
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Mon Sep 15, 2003 1:24 pm

Wjv04: How do you define incident?

Actually, there are no airlines that have "perfect" safety records. Some do not have incidents reported, but none are perfect. If someone cuts their hand on a sharp edge on their armrest in-flight, that technically should be reported as a safety-related incident.

But anything like rough turbulence causing a FA to sprain an ankle or an aircraft skidding off the runway (WN 3x last year) tarnishes the safety record, regardless of if passengers are hurt or killed.

At NJ we had a couple of sick passengers, a heart attack, and an FA with a broken ankle, but that's about it. No fatalities.

Oh, and one tail-dragger pilot!
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:12 am

At Westjet, there has never been a crash. There has never been any "major" incidents (i.e. fire, runway overrun, etc.)

There have, however, been many medical emergency landings. Mostly due to heart attacks, difficult breathing, strokes, etc. I rememeber last year sometime a flight from LAS - YVR hit major turbulance causing 3 F.A.'s to be seriously injured with head injuries.

Every airline experiences emergency landings with mechanical problems, much like every car has its mechanical problems, one way or another. For the record, it's been well a year since I last saw Westjet make an emergency landing due to mechanical problems. If my mind serves me correctly, that was due to bird strikes.
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:17 am

Also airlines with no accidents:

- LTU
- Tunisair

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:49 am

the "new" Frontier Airlines (F9) has never had a fatality i don`t think
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:32 pm

Every airline experiences emergency landings with mechanical problems, much like every car has its mechanical problems, one way or another. For the record, it's been well a year since I last saw Westjet make an emergency landing due to mechanical problems. If my mind serves me correctly, that was due to bird strikes.


That must be in YVR only. I know that WS has had at least two returns to YYC due to mechanical issues in the last three months. One made the Calgary Herald only days ago, when a tire blew out and had to circle with the gear down before landing, so emergency crews could inspect it.
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:52 pm

I would have to say Qantas, although there was that incident in Bangkok, and a couple of other mechanical things, QF, still and will remain the safest airline in the world. I think before the jet era in the 40s or something there was 1 death, but that is about it. All due to Australian mechanical brilliance. Ever since QF has been using ANZES for some work, there has been more incidents, damn kiwis lol j/k

 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:24 pm

Agree with QF747 - as much as I have heared, QF is one of the oldest airlines and has "couple of" planes.
It's easy for an airline that exists 10 years and has 5 or 6 planes to have no accident.
And QF - would get red face if I repeat the word my aussie-mate in BNE is calling the Kiwis  Wink/being sarcastic
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 7:59 pm

My records show QF have 93 fatalities to it's name, but all from a very, very distant past.
If you also count the number of flights QF have had over the years, combine it with it's predominant operating environment (relatively uncrowded Australian airspace and relatively perfect flying/ground operation conditions) and then compare that with many of the larger carriers, then it's the same sort of record as many of those larger carriers, who are more maligned.
(Compare the daily number of flights operated by QF pre 1993 TN takeover and you'll see what I mean. A fleet of approximately 30-40 with many frames doing as little as 4 cycles a day on the long hauls QF did/does, can't compare on the same level as a UA/AA/DL with their 500/600+ fleets and thousands of flights per dayand tens of thousands of cycles per day).
Just another way to prove statistics can read anything you want into them.  Smile
Regardless, it's still a sterling history no matter how you look at it. Don't get me wrong, the "safety first" culture of QF and the superb crewman who have operated the fleet over the years contribute greatly to that history and are a big reason why that history is so good, but one has to compare apples with apples and oranges with oranges.
People that say "QF is safest" are similar to those who jump in and say Air China and Aeroflot have shocking records, although the International "prestige" divisions of both those carriers have as equally sterling histories as QF. (Domestically for both carriers is a whole different ball game, but the International divisions were run completely seperately from them). As an example, until the incident last year (or was it 2001?), CAAC (International Division) which became Air China had only the 1 fatality - something that not many realise given CAAC's shocking domestic division past.
As for who is the safest, it's all relative. There are some carriers you know the odds are with you if you fly with them, there are others you wouldn't fly in a fit.
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:43 pm

Air Holland is not in the airsafe.com list..
what kind of incident where they related in?
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:44 pm

What are you all talking about. These statistics are nonsense.

What if an airline has only one accident, but a controller caused this accident. This has nothing to do with the airline. A fatality is not the right way to measure how safe an airline is.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:50 am

In response to Rampboy 77s post ... AQ had a fatality in the late 80s with AQ241, when the 737-200 lost part of its upper fuselage, taking an FA with it.

Its subsidiary, Island Air (PV) has not had any fatalities.

I guess Mesaba is the only one since 1970 that has a "perfect record".
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:28 am

Ansett Australia was a very safe airline. To my knowledge they had no fatalities, although one of it's subsidiary airlines- Ansett NZ crashed a Dash 8 into a mountain in 1995 and killed a few pax and crew. Agreed with what AJ said about QANTAS- remember that before QF took over TN they didn't fly domestically and their fleet wasn't even half the size of what it is today. But still they were and are a very safe airline. CX also has a very good safety record.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:28 am

The 90's Midway Airlines had a good safety record, unfortunately, that didn't hold true financially! R.I.P. JI!!!!!
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:30 pm

First off, I'm not sure what anyone is talking about when they say "I guess Mesaba is the only one since 1970 that has a 'perfect record'.

Looking at the list at airsafe.com, there are 35 airlines that haven't had a fatality since startup.

That said, I don't think any other airline can measure up to Hawaiian's record of 74 straight years (since our first flight) without a fatality. Look at the list of U.S. & Canadian airlines at Airsafe.com. Every airline on that list either started after 1970, or has an * beside their name, except Hawaiian. At Hawaiian there have been no mergers, no other airline's records merged into ours, no shutdown's and alter-ego airline startup with the same name.

74 years.
One airline.
No fatalities.

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:39 pm

Island Air has had a fatal incident. An Island Air Dash-6 crashed into the mountains on Molokai in October 1989. BTW, Aloha shouldn't be on Airsafe.com's list. Their incident in 1988 is classified by the NTSB as a fatal incident.
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:53 pm

Qantas is an extremely safe and well run airline and probably in the last 10 years the world fastest growing airline.

In early 1993 Qantas had a fleet of 30-40 aircraft and flew a 100-150 services a week.

Now Qantas has a fleet of over 200 aircraft and fly 5500+ services a week and have still kept their perfect record.

Thats incredible growth and to still be able to maintain such high operating practices is even more impressive.

Back to the topic:

QF do have 40-50 fatalities to their name when an aircraft was shot down during WW2. (Not exactly QFs fault)

 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 5:20 pm

I can only recall 3 incidents with westjet that I know about:

1. Engine stall on flight from prince George, BC to Calgary, AB.

2. A/c hits an air pocket on trip from Edmonton, AB to comox, BC. The f/a was injured on that one.

3. On landing the a/c blew 2 tyres in Calgary, AB.

and besides all the hard landings I've personally felt by wj, I cant think of any others.  Big grin
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 5:31 pm

my appoligies the failed engine was vancouver to kelowna:

Emergency landing at airport
Web Posted March 11, 2003

There was a scare for passengers on a Westjet flight bound for Vancouver from Kelowna Tuesday morning when the plane was forced to make an emergency landing. One of the engines on the Boeing 737 stopped working shortly after take-off. Emergency crews were called and the plane turned around, making a safe landing back in Kelowna. There were 54 people and more than 13,000 pounds of fuel on board the jet. There's no word yet on what caused the mechanical problem affecting the engine.

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:27 pm

Positive rate said:
Ansett Australia was a very safe airline. To my knowledge they had no fatalities

I'd suggest that you check out http://www.airdisaster.com, there'll you see that Ansett lost 2 Viscounts, one in 1961, the other in 1966, with a total of 39 fatalities; and in late 1968 its subsidiary, MMA, lost a third with another 24 losing their lives.

TAA also lost at least 1 F27 from memory - I wonder if that is now included under Qantas's record?

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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:07 pm

BWIA began operations in 1940 - no fatalities to date...
 
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RE: Which Airlines Have A Perfect Record

Thu Sep 18, 2003 9:15 pm

Very topical question, however how far do we back date the statistics? are we talking about fatal accidents? or do we take into account 'incidents'?

It might seem obvious we can dismiss all airlines who have had fatal accidents in the modern jet era, however it does beg an important question is one airline who has had fatal accidents yet operated some 60 million flights eg US Airways any safer against an airline who has operated less than 200000 flights but had no accidents any safer?

The link below highlights all those major airlines that have had fatal accidents since operating jet aircarft

http://www.airdisaster.com/statistics/

There is also this link below which highlights all those airlines that have had no fatal accidents since 1970

http://airsafe.com/events/nofatals.htm

Startling results, however I would not seem tempted to choose a clear winner to this question.


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