milemaster
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AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:30 am

It certainly looks like the 757 & 738 fleets are undergoing a major shift in order to place 757s primarily in leisure markets.

Play around on AA.com and check it out.. Where there were once 757's on most business destinations, will soon be 738's and M80's.

That's pretty cool.. although not so cool I guess if you're going on vacation somewhere.

Looks like the LRTC on the 757's makes a bit more sense.. Although still not the best move in my opinion.
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 3:53 am

That sounds like a very reasonable thing to do. The majority of the business travelers I know who fly AA when they have a choice particularly enjoy doing so because of MRTC. After marketing that, and continuing to do so despite the 757 and A300 conversion, I think they'd run a very real risk of alienating the business market by using LRTC 757's on business routes.
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 4:24 am

I have never quite figured out if they convert ALL THE 757's to LRTC, how in the heck are they going to use them all in just leisure markets???To me this just does not make sense.

As a business traveller that has enjoyed MRTC quite a it, I'm going to be real peeved about having to sardine style in a 757 just because BUSINESS takes me to " a leisure destination".

I would think that converting somewhere around half of the 757 fllet would more than suffice for routes that compete with Song, JB or whomever.

I still like a MRTC 757 from say ORD to LAX or BOS to LAX.

The changing of the 757 fleet(And A-300)combined with more retirements of the F-100, reassignments of ex-TWA MD-80's ought to make for some interesting schedules.

Does anyone know if all the temporarly mothballed 762's will be back in service by next spring, or even this changeover in January?

 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:02 am

It looks like DFW F-100 is ending in January as well.... all the Fokkers will be up at Chicago before going to pasture.

As a business traveller that has enjoyed MRTC quite a it, I'm going to be real peeved about having to sardine style in a 757 just because BUSINESS takes me to " a leisure destination".

Amen. Those of us living in Florida have to deal with the "leisure travel" mentality when trying to go anywhere.
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:03 am

AA already sends a ton of 757s into MCO
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:17 am

Interesting... playing around with the January schedule:

DFW B757 destinations: PHX, LAS, ONT, LGB, MCO, MIA, TUL (4 times a day!), SJO, SAN, LIM, SJU, CUN, FLL, HDN, EGE.

Traditional 757 cities like SNA get the B737-800.... I believe the DFW B737 base is finally opening in January for American (currently no DFW-based 738 crews... lots of MIA-based flying through Dallas).

Doesn't look like much of a surprise, except Lima which isn't really a pleasure destination. San Jose (CR) is more and more leisure as tourism grows in that country.

Miami 757 is a little more frustrating. I wish that American would keep some in MRTC for Central/South America like Quito, Lima, Medellin, etc.

Chicago 757 destinations: SJU, FLL, CUN, LAS, JAC, EGE, PHX, MCO, MIA.

Los Angeles 757's are only going to Florida and Lihue.

A few JFK transcons still will run with the 757... Long Beach, San Diego, San Jose, Seattle, and John Wayne, which is a bit frustrating. Thanks, jetBlue. Same with Boston to San Jose and San Fran.

What's left of the STL hub... 757 to Phoenix, Vegas, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, Orlando.
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 5:57 am

Why does TUL get 4 x 757? Not that I am complaining or anything, this is great news! They replace 3 Eagle flights.
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:30 am

Gotta be for maintenance reasons. Not sure... Wonder if the reconfiguration process is being done in TUL...
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:33 am

From Miami, all flights to Providenciales, Grand Cayman, Bridgetown, and Aruba will be 757-200s. However, Kingston will get two 738s now.

San Juan-Caracas also becomes a 757, and Miami-Los Angeles is down to only one 757 flight, the rest widebodies, including the only International Flagship service offered by AA on a domestic flight (AA 245/248).
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:37 am

Does this mean that All NYC flights to LA will be 767's? (including EWR)
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:46 am

2 years ago i took the 757 from TUL-DFW. They only had that flight 1 time a day, now they have 4....What are they thinking? I dont think they are gonna have enough people to fill the seats? I hope im wrong though. I kinda wish i still lived in Tulsa now, i could fly the 757 everytime i went back to DFW instead of the (borring, but GREAT) MD-80.
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:49 am

Does this mean that All NYC flights to LA will be 767's? (including EWR)

Yes
JFK-LAX
9 x B767-200

EWR-LAX
1 x B767-300
2 x B737-800


Tulsa to Dallas is interesting.....
4 x MD-80
4 x B757
3 x CRJ-700

With a F-100 and three MD-80 to Chicago/O'Hare. Perhaps it is helping make up for the lack of STL service (5 x MD-80 at present time I believe)?
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 6:58 am

WOW! The first time EWR gets to see the AA 738! Thanks N951U!
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:39 am

Looks like DFW-LAS will be a 757 soon too.. not too surprising considering HP fills their 752's to the gills to vegas from DFW.


[Edited 2003-09-16 02:39:44]
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:35 am

"Boeing 757 Leisure Liner."

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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:45 am


WOW! The first time EWR gets to see the AA 738! Thanks N951U!


Just when it looked like EWR would finally get more than 1 AA 767 a day to LAX (Nov+Dec features 2 763s per day), they go ahead and change to 738s!

Now, the 738 is a great plane, but I wouldn't want to fly transcon on ANY 737...
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:48 am

From Miami, lots of additional capacity to the Caribbean now as a whole bunch of flights are now becoming 757s. The exceptions are the "premium" Caribbean markets. Namely St. Croix, Curacao, and Casa de Campo. Kingston and Santiago also are 738s only. Grand Cayman and Cancun have a mix of MRTC 738s and LRTC 752s, while San Juan has one 763, but the rest are A300s and 757s. To Central America it is LRTC only to Managua, Tegucigalpa, and San Jose. It is MRTC only everywhere else. To South America, it is LRTC to Guayquil, Quito, Lima, La Paz, Santa Cruz, Medellin, and Cali. Caracas and Bogota have a mix. Everything else is MRTC. Also from Miami, domestic routes are being shifted around. Orlando becomes LRTC-exclusive, same with all but one Tampa flight, while MIA-LAX has only one LRTC flight. San Francisco, Baltimore, and Philadelphia have MRTC coach flights to feed the deep South America destinations, LRTC everywhere else. Newark is LRTC coach exclusive (all A300s!), so is Vail (Saturday 757), while JFK has only one MRTC service (3-class 762 flight). However, Boston, LaGuardia, Chicago, St. Louis, and Dallas are pretty much exactly split, with half of the flights to each destination being LRTC and half being MRTC. Washington (National and Dulles) has only one of it's ten dailies with LRTC. All flights to Europe, Montreal, Toronto, Detroit, Houston, New Orleans, Atlanta, Hartford, Cleveland, Charlotte, Raleigh, and Denver, as well as the new flights to Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Minneapolis, are MRTC. Eagle destinations (two in Ohio, three in Florida, four in the Bahamas) are, as always, standard fare.

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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:52 am

PHL will see 2 more 757's
Current schedule is MIA 1x757 and 2x738 and SJU 1x738 and 1x757
New schedule will be MIA 2x757 and 1x738 and SJU 2x757
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 10:53 am

I was on a 757 into TUL just last week and amazingly enough, it was fairly full. I used OneStop and had to take a middle seat as all the aisles and windows had already been chosen. However, there is no way that TUL can support 4 of them a day much less all the supplemental MD80s and CRJs. The only reason that they would be flying that many flights there is for a) maintenance (perhaps MCI is in trouble and they're moving all narrow-body to TUL) and b) staff transport. I imagine that there's quite a bit of staff travel between DFW and TUL... Just my thoughts...
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:19 am

I think its awesome that we get the 757's back on some of the cities for STL like MCO, and FLL, once 757's now turned into S80's and now back up to the 757's again. What really surpised me was that AA is having a 757 for STL-PHX, wonder if its deemed succesful, AWA will upgrade the 733 and A319 to the 757?? Same thing for LAS as it will be a new destination served for STL from America West. I wonder is this in retaliation for AWA adding flights and cities out of STL to PHX and LAS???? Just something to think about.

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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:53 am

I think its awesome that we get the 757's back on some of the cities for STL like MCO, and FLL, once 757's now turned into S80's and now back up to the 757's again.

With the new schedule, St. Louis will still have the same number of 757s flights as they will on 1 November with the new schedule. Phoenix and Lauderdale gain 757s, but Miami looses one, so does Cancun.
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:00 pm

actually according to NOV schedule, we will only have 1 flight N/S to FLL and its scheculed with an MD-80, unless that was changed?? for MIA we are scheudled to have 2 N/S to MIA with a 757 down from 2 with an S80. PHX, correct me if I am wrong but we never had a 757 on the STL-PHX with AA, unless they kept it from TWA???

Alex.

[Edited 2003-09-16 05:10:08]
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:29 pm

I'll drink to that N62A, I once had to do a Continental 737-300 from EWR-PHX with a 35 minute holding pattern over New Mexico it became a five hour flight the equivilent of a coast to coast transcon, ugly stuff.
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 12:30 pm

Here's how it stands for STL and 757s.

On 19 November 2003:
DFW (21x weekly)
MIA (14x weekly)
SJU (2x weekly)
CUN (1x weekly)
LAX (18x weekly)
TOTAL: 56 weekly

On 19 January 2004:
MCO (7x weekly)
MIA (7x weekly)
SJU (2x weekly)
FLL (7x weekly)
DFW (7x weekly)
LAS (14x weekly)
DFW (2x weekly)
PHX (7x weekly)
TOTAL: 54 weekly
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:15 pm

Everyone seems to forget that Tulsa is a large market for American. We will definitely need the extra capacity of over 200 seats per flight on each of those 757's as American took all of our (5!!!) SP 80 flights away this November. These flights were always quite full, and the connection times through St. Louis were extremely efficient, we will all miss that. I assure you all that the 11 flights to DFW will all be packed! Just wait, I wouldn't be surprised to see some more destinations opened out of TUL.... Miami, LAX, LGA, JFK??? I could definitely see MIA on a CRJ 700 for the connections and all those cruisers, and a return to the LAX service which was always full on the MD 80, but with a more frequent CRJ service could offer many more convenient options. A New York option would also be nice to compete with EWR on CO.
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Tue Sep 16, 2003 2:25 pm

AA is probably just sending the 757s to TUL to get them refitted at their maintenance base there while making some money by running pax ops at the same time. I'm sure the people of Tulsa will be happy especially after they just threw AA a big check to keep their TUL maintenance base.
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:33 am

Looks as if the shift in STL is just normal late winter schedule tweaking...

On Feb 1, 757's are as follows:

LAS-2 daily
FLL-1 daily
MCO-2 daily
MIA-1 daily
PHX-1 daily

We lose 757 service to LAX (replaced with 3 X MD80), and DFW. We lose ALL service entirely to CUN and SJU. I guess not enough demand.....
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:46 am

In TPA, we only see ex-TW 757. Will that change?
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:57 am

Why AA is taking a B767-300 ER MIA-BOG?

That was a B757/A300 route.

Is it that they have spare 767's?
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:29 am

American has always used a 767-300ER to Bogota for a long time. Lots of premium class demand to fill the front cabin.
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:39 am

The 757 flights to TUL are (as mentioned above) most likely for AA mx and the vast numbers of AA employees that work at the maint. base as well as the enormous Sabre facility.
 
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RE: AA Shifts 757's To Leisure Markets In JAN

Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:24 am

Username: B752fanatic
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Posted Tue Sep 16 2003 17:57:45 UTC+1 and read 253 times:
Why AA is taking a B767-300 ER MIA-BOG?

That was a B757/A300 route.

Is it that they have spare 767's


B752fanatic: Don't forget that ACES is no longer in business, so they are picking up some premium traffic from them. Also as the 757's and A300's are pulled from service for retrofitting, they have to use some type of equipment, and the 767 works since they do not have to worry about retraining of cockpit crews since 757/767 is same crew..


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