Reggaebird
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Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Tue Sep 16, 2003 8:35 pm


Hello everyone,

I landed at Providence, RI's T.F. Green Airport at 10:56pm on Friday, September 12th and received a major surprise. As my Northwest A319 taxied in to the gate, I was stunned to see an Air Luxor Airbus A330 sitting parallel to the terminal building having just pushed back for departure.

I was not aware that Providence had transatlantic service!! Is this a regular charter or a one-time oddity? Does anyone know anything about this particular flight?

Reggaebird
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:13 pm

I had the same reaction last year. Believe I arrived there on a Fri. night at an adjacent gate and the flight was boarding. They seemed to have a good load of passengers. Later, I checked the flight and was amazed it was nonstop to LIS. IF memory also serves me correctly, the flight operated a couple times a week. At least it did last year. Very interesting.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Tue Sep 16, 2003 9:28 pm

Air Luxor flies to PVD weekly during the Summer. Charter flights.
 
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mats
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:11 pm

I thought that Providence didn't have a long enough runway to support longhaul services, hence the reason there is no LAX nonstop. I guess this was a myth.

PVD would be such a nice alternative to Logan, if they ever get their security lines straightened out.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:36 pm

The flights operate during the summer. They are scheduled flights (listed in public reservation systems like Amadeus). They are not to Lisbon, however. They are to on of the Azores islands. I believe the island they go to is Sao Tome.
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:53 pm

The Air Luxor ("LK") A330-200 is a weekly scheduled charter (www.kingholidaysusa.com) from PVD to PDL (Ponta DelGada, Azores) with continuing service to LIS. It operates May thru September on Fridays with 370 seats (2 class). The service has been very successful since it started last summer and the route has attracted another weekly charter on Saturdays provided by Sata International ("S4" "Air Azores" www.sata.pt) with a 2 class (222 seats) A310-300. I can tell you that the loads are good and there is a possibility of expanding/increasing the service and/or making it a scheduled flight to sell connx thru PVD.

The longest runway here is 7166 ft. Eastbound flights over the Atlantic have very favorable winds from here letting us get to Western Europe with the right aircraft (757, and most airbus' narrow or widebody). Westbound flights (LAX was mentioned) are possible with the right aircraft as well (757, 320 family). The other issue is having a carrier with those aircraft willing to provide the service. A couple of years ago, Icelandair was rumored to be looking at PVD, but they fell into some finacial issues/9-11.

Although PVD will never truely compete with BOS on many routes, we continue to be a great alternative on some. The PDL service will continue to be a success because of our location and ease of access to a large demographic of people of Portugeuse decent.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Tue Sep 16, 2003 11:59 pm

Mats,

Less than a month ago, PVD expanded/renovated the screening checkpoint area reducing wait times to "normal" levels. This is part of a 3 phase improvement project that will increase the efficiency of the checkpoint area and baggage screening operations. The entire project should be completed by next year, returning our ticket lobby area to it's pre-"9-11" appearence.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:57 am

A330's at PVD!? I'll have to keep my eyes skyward on Saturday nights from now on. That's a nice change from the endless parade of Southwest 737's, AA MD-80's & Continental Ex. jungle jets. Up until now, the occasional Delta & UA 757 has been the only highlight flying out of Green. I hope somebody gets a picture up on the database soon...........

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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:17 am

the A330-200 arrives at 7:00pm and departs at 9:00pm on Fridays

the A310-300 arrives ar 9:45 am and departs at 11:15 am on Saturdays

don't forget to keep your eyes open for the weekend NFL charters that come in too (Delta B767-300s usually)!
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:27 am

Very interesting! A good few years ago (at least 15 years or more) there was also a once off charter from Providence to Cork, Ireland operated by a Buffalo Airways Boeing 707-320 series which was ex TAP-Air Portugal. Now that the Air Luxor A330-200 flies so successfully from a runway just a little over seven thousand feet I look forward to the day when Aer Lingus A330-200s fly across the Atlantic to Boston and New York from Cork. I guess even a high weight A319 would do the job too!
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:55 am

Is that Air Luxor 332 allowed to take off maxed out with 370 pax, fuel and cargo? I doubt it, not from a runway that's barely 7,200 feet. Flying time to PDL is what? Approx 5 hours? But then again, look at the long haul wide body flights that operate from Maui's (OGG) 7,000 foot runway! So I suppose it can be done. I wonder how often a 777 might be weight restricted for instance, on an OGG-ORD run?
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 5:33 am

The Air Luxor A330 has (more than once) departed PVD with 370 pax/bags/fuel nonstop to PDL. It is listed as a 5 hr flight. I have watched it takeoff when full and it gets off the runway sooner than FEDEX's 727-200 when full to MEM or even Delta's full M88 to ATL.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:13 am

For those interested in photos of Air Luxor and SATA at PVD, check out the PVD group on Yahoo: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tfgreenairportwarwickripvd/ There are photos of Air Luxor A330s and L-1011s, plus I believe there are some photos of an Air Luxor A320 (yes, your read that right), plus an Aviajet B763 filling in for one of the charters.

As for the flight, it should go out full. Fall River, MA is a large Portuguese community, and it is a lot easier to get to PVD from there than BOS.

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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:09 am

I'd bet a 3 times weekly Aer Lingus flight to Cork, Shannon or Dublin would do very well out of PVD! As well as an Alitalia flight to Rome. Rhode Island has a large Irish and Italian population that would certainly support this service and provide Southeastern New Englanders a convenient and hassle free alternative to Boston's LOGAN. Is the RI Airport Corporation actively persuing MORE international service for T.F. Green? There's only one customs gate, correct?
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:47 am

I've seen a few of the DL 763's from the beach in RI thruout the past two months. One of the rarest planes I saw was a Planet 727 (never seen one before).

The Air Luxor service is perfect for PVD though, due to the local (Fall River, New Bedford, and Providence mostly) populations of Portuguese and Azorean (?) people.

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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:27 pm

Planet Airways is a charter airline based in Fort Lauderdale, FL. I see their 727s all the time, parked at the west end of the field when I fly out of FLL.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:43 pm

What about Bradley International in Windsor Locks? A bigger more capable facility and not much farther away than PVD.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Thu Sep 18, 2003 1:01 am

I'm surprised BDL doesn't have any scheduled transatlantic service. I suppose they're affected by the amount of service from NYC area airports as well as BOS. The BIG EU carriers such as BA, LH, KL, SK, AZ, or VS don't seem to be particularly interested in serving the satellite airports, such as MHT, PVD or BDL. However, these airports seem to be good targets for the charter carriers.
 
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RE: Transatlantic Service From Providence, RI

Thu Sep 18, 2003 2:57 am

What about Bradley International in Windsor Locks? A bigger more capable facility and not much farther away than PVD

BDL is bigger and could process more passengers, but they don't have the catchment at least as far as the Portuguese population, hence no Azores flights. They do, however, have plenty of Boriquas which is how they are able to pull off their daily SJU.

I suppose they're affected by the amount of service from NYC area airports as well as BOS

I think you are absolutely right, although NYC would be more of a player than BOS in terms of limiting BDL's potential. Hartford is only about 1.5 hours from NYC, and a lot of BDL's domestic traffic comes from areas east of the Big City. But once you through in the international passenger traffic, it makes no sense to have foreign flag carriers operating from two airports so close to each other.
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