AlexG
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Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:21 am

Hi folks!

In the newest issue of the Deutsche Post World Net shareholder magazine "Nachrichten-Börse" there is an article of DPWN starting postal services in Iraq.

Alongside the text there's a picture of a DPWN van standing in front of an "Iraqi"-labeled 747SP, the latter with open doors and some sort of wire running up into the cockpit.

Looks like the SP is prepared to soon fly again?!? (Not related with DPWN, they use an An-12).

The a/c in picture seems to be YI-AOX (ex 3D-GFD, 5Y-GFD, 3C-GFD, P4-GFD, B-18253, B-1880) with removed blue cheat lines, since the grey parts of the belly are not painted alike YI-ALM.

Anyone some more info?

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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 5:40 am

The best fleet option for Iraqi Airways once everything stablizes within the country is Boeing 737-700/800s for Middle East routes and Boeing 767-200ERs/300ERs for long haul routes to Europe or used AB6s due to the extra cargo carrying capability but I dont think so the US Govt will allow AIRBUS to make a pitch at Iraqi Airways therefore it should be B 737-700s + B 767-300ERs used or new!

Key start up destinations will be LHR-FRA-CDG-AMS in Europe and maybe FCO.
Middle East will see DXB-AMMAN-AUH-JED-RUH-TEHRAN-DAMASCUS and DOHA.

 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:37 am

The aircraft that Iraqi Airways is most-likely going to get is second or third hand 727/737/747 aircraft to match the type ratings of the a/c the pilots are trained on. Just like Ariana Afgan Airlines was given old AA 727-200's to complement the 5 ex-Air France 727's they already had that survived the former regime. And they'll probably cannabalize the old fleet for spare parts since they are unlikely worth the make and effort to make the existing fleet airworhty again. And after a few years, you'll probably see brand new equipment in their fleet.
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:01 am

Behramjee, hope you're wrong, as it would sum up world feeling on why the US went to war.....
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:17 am

Rather than an ATSB loan, the US Govt. could send part of that $87B to UA, AA and US by paying way over-inflated prices for their old 733, 735, and 762 fleets, and then sending to Baghdad for use in the new Iraqi Airways!

I don't know...probably lost all my "respect points" for saying that, but what the hell....I thought it was a neat idea for a split-second...

By the way, "How is Iraqi Airways Doing?" (in spirit of all the other threads!)
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:29 am


Hi!

This topic is actually very interesting. I really don't know how it's gonna be, if we look closely to Afeganistan we actually didn't see any Boeings beeing sold to Ariana, instead we saw Air India offering A300's. But I also know tha Afeganistan don't have the same resouces as Iraq, so my vote goes of course to Boeing, specially knowing that in the past Iraqi Airways had Boeings and I'm sure the pilots will have an easier evolution to the new Boeing models. If we pick closely Iraqi Airways fleet ( 727-200 ADV, 737-200's, 707-320C, 747-200's and 747SP ) the most wise evolution would be the 737-600/800's to replace the 727-200/737-200/707-320C, and maybe the 767-300's to medium to long-haul flights. I don't know what plans they have but I'm sure they will start flights around middle east, Europe ( major cities like London, Paris, Frankfurt and Zurich ) and maybe a flight to JFK via LHR? Just some ideas!
I don't think Airbus will have any chance! Iraq will be pro-US government.
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:34 am

CV990: If I'm not mistaken, Ariana Afghan Airlines operated 727's. Right after the Taliban was removed, one of their planes was shown on the news, and it didn't look too great...but, there was also a feature on the airlines return to the air.
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:52 pm

Check out Aviation Week and Space Technology (September 1, 2003). There is a article in there on page 46 about reopening the Baghdad airport. This is basically what it said...

It says basically reopening the airport is a big goal for the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) since its important for revitalising the economy as well as a sign of stability. However its going to be hard for several reasons, mostly because of the guerrilla attacks in the area, as well as as soon as the airport was reopened, it would be a obvious target because the rail line was attacked the day that train service was restored to Jordan, and the oil pipline was attacked within 3 days of reopening, so undoubtably the civil airplanes would be a target, sucessful or not. So therefore, no airline wants to be first to fly in to Baghdad.

Another huge problem for the airport is the lack of infrastructure, which has been more or less destroyed over the past 12 years, as well as the aircraft there have been stripped of parts and looted.

Right now the CPA plans to open up Baghdad (which would have 3 flights daily when initially opened), Mosul, and Basra which will cost approx. $91 Million.

There are a lot of airlines trying to get in to the airports as soon as it opens though. 30 airlines applied to Baghdad, and 16 for Basra. Right now, it looks like Brasa will open first, because its more stable as far as attacks are concerned, and 6 airlines currently have permission to fly into Basra when it opens in a few weeks, SAS, LOT, Qatar Airways, Gulf Air, Royal Jordanian, and Emirates. British Airways was also granted permission, but has not set a date.

As far as Iraqi Airways, 2 of 23 airplanes were destroyed in fighting, 8 were looted and stripped of engines (however most were found), there are 15 airplanes scattered in Tunisia, Jordan, Kuwait, and Iran, which have been there since 1991. Apparently lots of contractors have contacted the CPA to start up a new national airline, or restore Iraqi Airways, but it looks grim due to "huge debt and a 'demolished' infrastructure" so it may be a while, it was also mentioned it would take at least two years to get a new airline up and running.

Hope that answered some questions.

Brian
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:02 pm

I don't know what Iraqi airways has for 747SPs (I've always understood that they just operated 742s), but there is one 747SP interred at an airport somewhere and its been that way since the first Gulf War. This particular SP is Saddam Hussein's personal jet and it is painted in Iraqi airways colors except it says "Iraq" instead of "Iraqi". So they might have just been doing an article on that jet itself rather then on Iraqi airways.
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:16 pm

""I don't know what Iraqi airways has for 747SPs (I've always understood that they just operated 742s), but there is one 747SP interred at an airport somewhere and its been that way since the first Gulf War. This particular SP is Saddam Hussein's personal jet and it is painted in Iraqi airways colors except it says "Iraq" instead of "Iraqi". So they might have just been doing an article on that jet itself rather then on Iraqi airways.""

Don't know where you got that info from, but that 747SP says just as the others "Iraqi".

For info : DHL is flying twice a day into Baghdad with an A300.

Good day !
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:30 pm

That 747SP's registration is "YI-AOX".
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 2:56 am

I dont think so the US Govt will allow AIRBUS to make a pitch at Iraqi Airways therefore it should be B 737-700s + B 767-300ERs used or new!
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So it means Alitalia has somebody to sell its MD80s  Smile
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 3:38 am

All right, all right that's it! We're here to discuss airlines, not US foreign policy. We all have our disagreements over the Iraq issue, but if you guys really want to talk about it, don't drag us Aviation enthusiasts into it. Now knock it off!

Sorry about that. Just had to get it out. Anyhow, chances are that Iraqi will go for some type of 737 model, not because the States pushed for it, but because there are a lot more available on the second hand market, and they are capable of landing on short runways at smaller airports, making it desirable for use around the lesser developed, smaller parts of the country. I'm thinking that it would be smart if Iraq could get its hands on some prop jobs with smaller capacity, such as the ATR, DeHavilland Dash-8's, or even the Embraer 110, as they would be cheaper to operate and would offer less capacity as air travel demand to some areas in Iraq probably aren't too heavy. For longer travel, everyone is right about the 767 series. It has a long range and it doesn't carry as many passengers, so it doesn't guzzle as much gas and it's easier to fill. Just my 2 cents.
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:23 am

Im far from an expert, but correct me if Im wrong. Doen't the USA make some of the parts of some Airbus Aircraft? eg. the engines, or part of the engines. I think I remember reading that somewhere. I dont think the US Gov. would block Airbus form selling Iraq their planes. I mean after all, look at all the US carriers that have them.....

And for Groholsky
I can tell you one thing : American soldiers are sick of it all !!!

Are you in the United States Military? Probaby not huh.... I am, and I dont think you would have any clue as to what we are sick of. You need to think before you start speaking for the US military or Government.

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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:36 am

Remember, once the Iraqi government is in operation and actually running the country, the only reason why Iraqi might decide to not even look at Airbus is as a supplier is an "in-your-face" to France and Germany, who opposed intervention.

Once the Iraqi government is set up, it won't (or at least, shouldn't) be a satellite state in the manner of, say, Poland to the USSR. I don't believe they'll do it, because if I can figure out that it will create the same anymosity that has led to so much anti-US sentiment, then I'm sure Colin Powell and Rummy and Dick Cheney can figure it out, too.
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 6:01 am

Please don't forget that Airbus is not owned exclusively by France and Germany but also by Spain and the United Kingdom who if I’m not mistaken proudly fought alongside and openly supported our American friends when the rest of the World turned their backs.
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:58 pm

As a second point, unfortunately my country was also part of this invasion -so by your logic don't we deserve an Airbus deal as well (as 20% owners of the Airbus consortium)?

I guess British Aerospace products don't come to mind.

The rest of the political drivel isn't what I come here to discuss. Beyond my original statement - which was blunt, but entirely factual - I won't discuss US foreign policy any further. I'll simply state that I disagree with you.

Personnally, I come here to talk about airlines, airliners and aircraft - not politics. If you want to blow the anti-American, anti-war, et al horn, I'd suggest you make the call in a site dedicated to it - like ProtestWarrior.com.  Big grin
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Thu Sep 18, 2003 2:21 pm

I'm waiting for Branson to announce plans to start a new low cost carrier in Iraq  Big grin
 
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:19 am

Since being furloughed from my job at NW, I just recently got a job with World Airways, and we are one of the carriers who will be flying into Bagdad once the airport opens. Hopefully soon the people of Iraq will have air service.
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RE: Iraqi Airways To Fly Again Soon?

Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:34 am

Quite a few cheap 733s available right now so could pick up some for Gulf flights and perhaps A300s or 767s on routes to London,FRA,CDG and GVA.