Gerry
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Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:06 pm

The Australian Government plans to restrict access to departure lounges only to ticket holding passengers. People like ourselves who go there to get a closer look at the aircraft will be banned under a proposal before Cabinet to take effect by the end of the year.
The government claims there has been a "spate" of security threats and that this would help to alleviate the problem.
We actually had 2. One was armed with a wooden stake and the other with a baton and a knife and guess what? They were both ticket holding passengers. One of them actually boarded a flight at a small NSW town not a major airport.
What good is this going to do and why should we spotters miss out? What about the families who come to see their loved ones off. And the retailers down the concourses who sell to the passing trade?
I often visit Melbourne International and it is great to sepnd an hour or so at the end of the Domestic departure concourse (having gone through security by the way) and watch the heavies taxi past no more than 50 metres away. Give us a break - does this happen anywhere else? In Australia only the International departure area is restricted to ticket holders.
 
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:11 pm

does this happen anywhere else?

Yes, pretty much everywhere in the world!  Smile
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 1:13 pm

ITs been happening in USA since and before 9-11
 
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:35 pm

As an Australian traveller I say that it's about time. The current system is rather convenient, however there is no real need to be in the departures area unless you are flying. The security benefits outweigh any inconvenience.

 
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 2:52 pm

DFW used to be very open to visitors. No check required, but after 9/11, they started checking random people for boarding passes. Today, I just got an email from AA, that DFW will from now on be checking ALL persons for their boarding passes prior to entering the "sterile" gate areas.

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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:53 pm

This will be interesting once the retailers get wind of it. QF Domestic at MEL used to have the majority of their food and retail outlets on the unsecured-side of the terminal - the screening being at the base of the "single" arm which held the departure gates. When QF expanded the terminal, it introduced a "second" arm with departure gates so - presumably as a cost cutting exercise for security - the screen was moved immediately behind the check-in area and all the food, beverage and the majority of the retail outlets are in the sterile area.

I can imagine that the retailers are paying huge rents so will be resisting any moves to restrict movement into the current sterile area. The security screening will have to move back to the "arms" of the terminal and so be duplicated. I can feel a new "security" tax coming on to pay for all this!!!

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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:59 pm

I think it's a stupid idea. They have security gaurds in the airport anyway so why the need to take this measure? As mentioned the 2 incidents both occured with ticket holders so it's not really necessary.
 
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:33 pm

Yea, I feel bad for you guys in Australia. I was pretty ticked when they started that policy immediately after 9/11 here in the US, which made it much more difficult to spot. And now more recently, they have been detaining people for even spotting outside the AOA, making it very difficult to spot period these days.

....and now my government wants to look into my checking accounts and credit reports before they assign me a "risk score" when I fly.  Pissed

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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:37 pm

Most Biz travelers don't even have a boarding pass when they go through security most collect them at the QF club or Cityflier desks which are located at the gates.
 
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 4:42 pm

Most Biz travelers don't even have a boarding pass when they go through security most collect them at the QF club or Cityflier desks which are located at the gates.

Well, I suppose that's all about to change.
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:04 pm

Its been happening in Europe for years, so it's a pretty good idea.
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:36 pm

GKirk, I think it depends on the airport: f.e. FRA doesn't shut out visitors.
 
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 6:59 pm

In europe access to departure lounges has been restricted to passengers only, not the general public, for a long time - that is the point.
Whereas in the USA / Australia people could 'meet & greet' people at the gate.
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:19 pm

Stefandotde, Ok. In the UK, Spain and Turkey its like that, I just presumed the whole of Europe was like it.
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:41 pm

Stefandotde,

Are you sure non-passengers can go all the way to the gate in Frankfurt? I certainly didn't think so!

Gkirk,

All Europe is like that, I have yet to see an exception.

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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:15 pm

QF just introduced their quick-check kiosk on the cityflyer routes, I used it twice. If you do not have any check-in luggages, you can just process to the gate as soon as you arrive the airport, and they got kiosks in front of the board gate, you can get your boarding pass there. All you need for the kiosk is just your QF FFP card or your credit card which you used to purchase the ticket. If the government really impose this law, all the kiosks have to move back to the terminal check-in area.

I concur what Bd1959 says, most of the shops at the Qantas domestic terminal at MEL are located bejind the security check, or if you want, you can walk 3 to 5 minutes to the international/VirginBlue/Rex terminal, you won't be able to find a Hungry Jacks there Big grin
 
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:23 pm

Oh well, welcome to the real world. UAL747, what is that email you got about? Are you talking about getting you tickets checked before entering security at DFW? I have gotten that done all the time since 9/11--from every airline CO, DL, AA, UA.... Strangely, a few weeks ago AA checked my boarding pass before I entered the boarding lounge for a flight to LAX.
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:29 pm

Unfortunately, in the US it's been that way for some time... At least in Europe, they still have open air observation decks at major airports. Imagine that in the US! I haven't seen one of those since the late '70's here..... What a loss....
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Thu Sep 18, 2003 6:12 am

I know O'Hare international terminal never allowed people without boarding passes into the actual departure hall/lounge areas (and even some gift shops!)--though this is not required for those who are dropping off friends and family at the ticket counters. But it was possible for any visitor to walk through terminals 1, 2, 3 without a boarding pass (those were the good ol' days). Since 9/11 however, no one without a boarding pass is allowed in departure halls, they can only get to arrivals and ticket counters...  Sad
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RE: Visitors To Be Shut Out At Australian Airports

Thu Sep 18, 2003 7:04 am

JCS17: Oh well, welcome to the real world.

Why is restriction to Domestic Departure Gates part of the real world? It's not as though Australian Domestic Airports get overly crowded. The only fathomable reason I can come up with is that security might get overwelmed at times - but that doesn't stack up either. The most serious breach of security at MEL recently was when a off-duty Police Officer inadvertently took a clip of bullets onto a Christchurch flight - that's ex International where restrictions do apply.

Seems this is just another "world's best practice" which we Aussies are having imposed on us for no other reason than the rest of the world (ie the US) has it wrong.

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