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Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:48 pm

http://www.forbes.com/home_europe/newswire/2003/09/17/rtr1083744.html

DUBLIN, Sept 17 (Reuters) - Irish state airline Aer Lingus [AERL.UL] said on Wednesday it had signed a deal with Airbus to supply 17 new aircraft for use on its European network, with options on a further 10.

The national flag carrier said the deal for the A-320s would complete its move to use of a single fleet type and enable it to add 15 new routes to its European network by summer 2005.

Under the deal Aer Lingus, which had also been in talks with Boeing (nyse: BA - news - people), will buy seven A-320s outright and lease 10 from the International Lease Finance Corp.

The Irish Times said the airline was expected to spend in excess of 300 million euros ($335.6 million) on the aircraft. The engines for the aircraft will be provided by CFM, a Franco-American joint venture between General Electric Aircraft Engines (nyse: GE - news - people) and Snecma Moteurs.
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 8:54 pm

Are the A330 crews contractually permitted to be rostered on the existing A321 fleet and vice versa? In that case the cockpit commonality makes a lot of sense for EI.
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:02 pm

Crews on A320's are qualified to fly A321's but the A330 is another type rating.
However, it takes much less time to train A320/A321 crew to move up to the A330 than it would take for 737 crews.
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:07 pm

So there is no contractual division between short-haul and long-haul Airbus crews at Aer Lingus?
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:14 pm

I just stated the technical side of things - maybe someone who works at EI can clarify the contractual bit.
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:20 pm

See? That's why I repeated my question to clarify things.  Smile
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:10 pm

The decision to take Airbus is in line with what was expected...

Thanks for the news!

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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:19 pm

UTA_flyinhigh, pilots qualified on A319/20/21 can also fly the A330/A340

MEA Pilots fly both the A321 and the A332, same for Austian Airlines, where they can fly A321/A330/A340
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:20 pm

Great news; the A320s have been very popular and the news doesn't come as much of a surprise.

The A330 crews don't normally fly 320/321s, BUT conversions take only around eight days, as cockpit commonality is close; don't forget also that pilots converting to the 330 from the 320s must also undergo training for t/a flights - ETOPs issues, RVSM etc.

This means the end of the 146s - oh, the pain, I lie on the floor sobbing.

Right, I'm over it now. Anyone got an acetyline torch?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 10:50 pm

Excellent news. Just pity there's not IABB to celebrate at.  Big grin

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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Wed Sep 17, 2003 11:02 pm

The A330/A340 is a different type rating (QT or "qualification type" in French  Big grin ) ; ME and OS simply have pilots that are cross-qualified (which isn't the case at AF for instance).
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 12:19 am

How did I know this was going to turn into a shameful plug fest?  Insane  Laugh out loud
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 1:05 am

Which new routes do they plan?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 2:09 am

The order is to replace the 735,734 and 146 series planes,so hopefully we might see a 319 in the frame at some stage.

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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 3:12 am

good choice for EI.

did not make sense to switch back to a Boeing fleet

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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 3:30 am

I read that EI may offer scheduled service to ATH and DBV. I can see ATH as a destination due to strong leisure market and the upcoming olympic games, but does anyone know of the market to DBV? Croatia Airlines does not even offer daily service to LON. Will EI try to take inbound transatlantic pax to increase loads? Or, do they plan on relying strictly on O&D?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 5:43 am

GKirk, a shameful plug fest - no, surely a Shamrock plug fest!!

There'll be no 319s; the four orders were let lapse (along with two previous 320s, which went to BA, with IAE engines). The airline will be (on short haul routes) an all 320 (21) and 321 (6) airline and more 320s will follow in due course.

But the fifteen new routes . . . lots of rumours floating around, including Krakow (presumably WAW would be looked at too), Berlin and Dubrovnik. Wow!

So, 2005 will see the last 737 leave EI, after the type has been in the fleet for 36 years, the first 732 having been delivered in April 1969. That's more than half the airline's history.

EI apparently intends to withdraw C class from almost all short haul markets (with the possible exceptions of LHR and BRU); the cpst advantages of a single, all Y fleet, and the flexibility that goes with it, should be immense. It will be major competition for FR; EI will be a less stressful carrier to deal with -and that will make a major difference . . .

 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 6:49 am

Dont know if GLA-DUB could support 3 A320 flights a day. Think they might even struggle with 735s which are to replace the 146's. An A318/9 would be ideal.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:01 pm


Anyone like to guess further as to the 15 new routes?

I'm guessing;

Dublin - Berlin
Dublin - Warsaw
Dublin - Hamburg
Dublin - Dubrovnik
Dublin - Budapest
Dublin - Venice
Dublin - Copenhagen
Dublin - Helsinki
Dublin - Strasbourg
Dublin - Salzburg
Dublin - Seville

Cork - Frankfurt
Cork - Nice
Cork - Geneva
Cork - Rome

Thats all I can think of off hand. Anyone have any other ideas?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:20 pm

Nice to know that Aer Lingus could be another airline in VCE  Smile Do you expect those flights to be seasonal flights?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:25 pm

DUB LYS
DUB BIO
DUB WAW
DUB VCE
DUB ATH
DUB BUD
DUB TLV
DUB OSL
DUB BOD
DUB CAI
DUB ZRH
DUB VLC
DUB NAP
DUB TXL
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 12:17 am


yes, they spring to mind, but TLV, CAI?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:21 am

I doubt EI would fly to TLV as I don't think it fits into their current mind set of leisure orientated markets as well as the obvious problems tha crop up with regard to violence in the region. CAI is an interesting destination as I think it may work within the current focus and also the idea that perhaps people are looking for new sun holiday destinations other than Spain/Portugual. Depending upon their scheduling EI could also dovetail the US inbound flights to these departures to allow for on line connection.

Does anyone think EI would consider service to North Africa (CMN, AGA, TUN)?

 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 1:28 am

I don't see either TLV (extra security adds to cost) being a possibility, but CAI has considerable tourist possibilities (and no doubt Dubliners would like proof that there is somewhere with worse traffic than their hometown!).

Seriously, though, you missed out Dubrovnik (which has been mentioned) and Krakow, also mentioned. Speaking personally, I'd particularly like to see II International (KRK / EPKK), Poland">KRK again, as it's a beautiful city with much history.

On the North Atlantic front, EI is going to start a fleet review project next month. Don't expect major changes; it's like to be (much) more of the same. The older 333s will go, to be replaced by increased gross weight 333s (230t -v- 215t MTOW) and there'll be more 332s. Boeing has an outside chance with 777s, particularly as (a) the 332s are so successful that they'll come at a price - not much incentive for good deals, and (b) there's no growth in the 330 series after the -300, although they could go for 346s. However, I feel that having achieved commonality with the s/h fleet, they're unlikely to spoil it on the long haul fleet.
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:57 pm

There is quite a lot of religious leisure traffic between DUB and TLV, but what would be needed for this route would be a cease fire - until then no route.

ATH, DUB and CAI could be operated overnight (with an early morning return departure) - increasing utilization - and should be within the range of the A320.
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:10 pm

Yeah, that would be fun... I haven't flown EI yet...

Also, DUB-TLV, that one should please you, UTA...

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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:15 pm

707, you forget that I am an AF mileage whore Big grin
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:29 pm

UTA, I would be happier bringing my own food than having to eat crappy EI food & pay more....

Interesting to see all these new destinations pop up, have EI been wanting to expand for a while?
 
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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 7:26 pm

Massive shame, I am not a fan of Airbus and its a shame to see EI go the way of Airbus instead of Boeing.

If ther are as bad as EI 321's I have flown on I wont be in a hurry to fly EI short haul!

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RE: Aer Lingus Choose A320 15 New Shorthaul Routes

Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:47 pm

I'm dissappointed but not surprise that they stick with Airbus.
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