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Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:53 am

Last night I flew DOH-BAR-LHR. The captain told us the DOH-BAR leg was officially listed at 125 miles. Is this the shortest scheduled flight in a 744?

Out of interest, the plane was nearly empty (pax and fuel) for this leg, and the take-off was hugely impressive - we used very little runway and the initial rate of climb was incredible! When we left BAR we'd just about filled with pax and had been refueled, and we experienced a more normal 747 take off.
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:25 am

BAR - do you mean Bahrain ? That's BAH.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:44 am

I can't tell you the mileage, but I did TAB to GND with VS in August and that seemed fairly short (20 mins)on a 744.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:49 am

I would take a look at the intra-Japan segments operated with the 744D by JAL and ANA........some runs are quite short.

Thai, at one time, flew 744s on the BRU-FRA-BKK route, I flew this flight out of BRU (in the pre-Star alliance days) and the BRU-FRA segment was very short, about 200 miles. I mention it since there may be other "odd" flights such as this where an extra city is tagged onto the long range flight.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:50 am

When Air France was still operating the 744 between CDG and EZE four years ago, the Saturday flight AF416 was continuing on the sunday from EZE to MVD. This was only a little jump over the Rio de la Plata river : the flight itself was less than 20 mn.
 
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Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:57 am

The shortest flight within Japan is from Osaka Itami ITM to Tokyo HND
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:28 am

For a short time back in 1997, AirCanada had a stopover in YUL on its YOW-LHR service using 74E's (30 minutes I believe). 763s took over the route in early 1998.
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:34 am

Oops, yes of course, BAR = BAH Embarrassment
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 2:37 am

My shortest 744 flight was from FRA to LHR on SW, the distance between both cities is 655 km (407 miles) and the flight time was approximately 1 hour.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:27 am

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/649573
A few short flights are discussed here... not restricted to -400 though  Smile
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:36 am

My father has flown MSP-DTW on a NW 744. This was back in 1997. I guess it was a repo flight. Not the shortest but still not very long in the air.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 3:42 am

United often flies 744s between LAX and DEN and SFO and DEN.

Northwest does occassionally fly a 744 between DTW and MSP but yeah that is for maintenance.

Definitely the shortest flights would be those ANA and Japan Air flight on those special customized 744D or whatever they are called without the winglets that look like a 747-300.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:20 am

When Air India was serving GVA-ROM-DEL-BOM 15 years ago with 747, the portion GVA-ROM (700 km) was an one hour jump, short but nice over the Alps. GVA is not anymore on AI route now.


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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:25 am

When Air India was serving GVA-ROM-DEL-BOM 15 years ago with 747, the portion GVA-ROM (700 km) was an one hour jump, short but nice over the Alps. GVA is not anymore on AI route now.

Going off the topic a bit... but AI and Alps somehow sound a bit eerie to me. Rather strange that AI has lost two aircraft in the Alps over the years.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:35 am

Vimanav,
You say two, I remember one, it was a 707, the plane hit the Mont Blanc in the Alps just before landing in Geneva, about 37 years ago. It was so sad. I've been flying many times with Air India very near the Mont Blanc, almost touching it, just before landing in Geneva, very impressive. Regards. Kilavoud.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:49 am

You say two, I remember one, it was a 707, the plane hit the Mont Blanc in the Alps just before landing in Geneva, about 37 years ago

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On November 3, 1950 an AI Constellation VT-CQP crashed just below the summit of Mont Blanc killing 8 crew and 40 pax. The crash you mentioned was on January 24, 1966, B707 VT-DMN which also crashed into Mont Blanc killing 117 persons.

Both very very unfortunate.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 4:56 am

Thank you Vimanav for the information.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:59 am

UA last fall used to operate a 744 on Saturday only LAX-SFO as a continuation of the SAL-LAX flite.


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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:37 am

On November 3, 1950 an AI Constellation VT-CQP crashed just below the summit of Mont Blanc

You are absolutely correct.

The irony of this is that VT-CQP (Malabar Princess) had the honour of operating Air India's inaugural international service to London just 2 years prior to that. The commander of that inaugural flight, Capt. D.Jatar, was later killed in an infamous terrorist incident, namely the bombing of VT-DEP (Kashmir Princess) en route to Bandung in 1955. And of course, the VT-DMN (Kanchenjunga) crash is mourned in India for causing the death of Dr. Homi Bhabha, father of the Indian nuclear bomb. However, the sister one of the air hostesses killed in the "Kanchenjunga" crash (who joined Air India as an air hostess herself in 1966 following the crash) was subsequently killed in the crash of VT-EBD (Ashoka) in 1978, and their niece (daughter of a third sister who also flew for Air India) was killed in the crash of VT-EFO (Kanishka) in 1985. Eerie tragic coincidences all the way down the line.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 9:42 am

Years ago I flew an SQ 744 SIN-KUL. At the time it was a normally scheduled flight. If memory serves me, it was the 1700 ex SIN.

I also flew an MH 744 FRA-AMS some time back, but I think thats about 40-50 miles further than SIN-KUL.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:14 pm

CX Flight 105 arrives every Sunday morning from Hong Kong to (adelaide). It departs as CX 104 to Melbourne and then Hong Kong. Adelaide-Melbourne is a very short flight for a 744- only about 300NM.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:18 pm

BA used to fly their 744 LGW-PHX-SAN....I actually flew on it from SAN to PHX when I went to SAN to help the station out when I worked for BA.
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:23 pm

About 6 years ago i was sitting in the AA hanger with my dad at AFW. Sitting outside on the ramp was a Korean Air 744. Im not exactly sure why it was there anymore but i know it went from AFW-DFW which is about 20miles away. I know an AA 757 made that trip in just under 8 minutes. Even though this route wasnt a scheduled route it did do the little hop which i would think would be the shortist out of anywhere.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:25 pm

AT uses its B744 for CMN-RAK 200km, 20mn ride
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 1:54 pm

BA first used a DC-10 on the LGW-PHX-SAN route. This was later upraged to a 744 (about 20-30min flight). Subsequently, BA decided to change its oprations and gave SAN its own LGW route with the 772, and switched PHX to a 772 also, the day LH began its A343 FRA-PHX route. Then, both LGW-SAN, and LGW-PHX were switched to LHR-SAN, LHR-PHX with the 772 also. The LHR-SAN service was dropped shortly after, and recently BA has decided to upgrade LHR-PHX to a 744 once again, because the 772 in the 4-class config. was too small.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 5:05 pm

However, the sister one of the air hostesses killed in the "Kanchenjunga" crash (who joined Air India as an air hostess herself in 1966 following the crash) was subsequently killed in the crash of VT-EBD (Ashoka) in 1978, and their niece (daughter of a third sister who also flew for Air India) was killed in the crash of VT-EFO (Kanishka) in 1985.

Unbelievable !!! I read of something similar that happened to 4 British brothers - all aircrew - who were killed during WWII.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 8:28 pm

Malaysia Airlines launches new London flights to Langkawi and Penang from this winter. MH7 will thereafter fly onwards to Kuala Lumpur - so those sectors will be rather short ones for the 747-4H6s


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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:12 pm

Didn't a BA 744 fly LHR-Duxford during the airshow ? The flight time was no more than 15 minutes, I heard.. Aircraft was G-CIVX.
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:33 pm

My shortest 747-400 flight--although it wasn't scheduled--was a United flight from Milwaukee to O'Hare. We were initially bound from San Francisco to ORD with a full load when a thunderstorm closed ORD for a time. Once we got a touch more fuel, we (along with a Lufthansa A340) went out to the MKE active runway at around midnight and flew almost in formation down the lake to ORD. We landed, followed only a minute or so later by the A340. I'm guessing the distance between ORD and MKE is in the 100-mile neighborhood.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:34 pm

At peak vacation times (like this year around Easter and May1) Air France used scheduled 747s on the Paris ORY-Corsica route. Not sure they were -400s though, they usually don't go to Orly.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 10:42 pm

Must have been in 2000 - a SQ 744 departing from Taipei. Seconds after take-off for its flight to the US plane crashed.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:19 pm

Mine was from Heathrow to Heathrow back in 2000. Well ok, we were flying to Vancouver but we had to fly back as soon as we got up so really it was LHR-LHR Big grin

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Sun Sep 21, 2003 11:59 pm

LH´s first 744 flew only FRA-HAM (replacing a 737 on this route) for some weeks in 1989 when this new a/c joined the fleet. The 70 min flights were also used for crew-training on the new 400.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Mon Sep 22, 2003 12:19 am

Air India currently has the 104nm COK-TRV segment scheduled for a 744.

Air India also operates the 82nm CCJ-COK segment with a 742.
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:09 am

That's great about BA upgrading the PHX flight to a 744 again. Man, that flight was full ALL the time...can't imagine they left with many seats open on the 772!

I heard a lot of stories about the DC-10....it broke down all the time. My coworkers were very happy to see it go. I actually watched BA's last DC-10 take off from PHX to Venice....quite a site!
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Mon Sep 22, 2003 2:58 am

How about CWL-LHR, there is a British Airways Maintanece Center here at Cardiff and we get aircraft here such as A320, B737, B747, B777 here. Ok I admit its not a commercial flight but hey the flight time must only be 30-40 mins tops.

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Mon Sep 22, 2003 5:05 am

UA did, or maybe still does fly the 744 between SFO-OAK for maintainence. This might have changed because of UA shutting down the UA mx base
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Mon Sep 22, 2003 7:41 am

Once flew a 747-400 from ORD-DTW, 40 minutes in the air. Aircraft was used to check out a new captain. It was a substitute for a DC9. I was hoping to get the jumpseat home to DTW, I did since there were 9 FA's working and the plane has 22 jumpseats.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Tue Sep 23, 2003 10:27 am

When I flew to Kuala Lumpur with Malaysia Airlines from Adelaide we first stopped in Melbourne. Flying time was about 1 hour
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:08 am

When Lufthansa flew to Quito (Ecuador) in the late 80s, they sometimes were diverted to Guayaquil due to fog. Then they would fly up to Quito the next Morning. GYE-UIO was about 20 minutes.
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:21 am

When I lived in Seattle, United had a DC-10 that flew between SEA and YVR, usually as a continuation flight from ORD to SEA. NW also operated DC10s between SEA and GEG for some time.

While it wasn't in a 744 or DC10, UA also had a flight in the 70s and 80s that flew DEN-OAK-SFO (yep, Oakland to San Francisco -- across the bay!). A friend of mine actually flew that leg once. Said the plane took more time to taxi than it did to fly.
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:43 am

Bahrain-Doha is 79nm.

Some other ranges that have been mentioned in this thread:

LAX-SFO 293nm
ORD-DTW 204nm
KUL-SIN 160nm
LHR-CWL 108nm
FRA-HAM 223nm
PHX-SAN 265nm
DTW-MSP 459nm
YUL-YOW 82nm


So, DOH-BAH is the winner for shortest scheduled B747-400 service.

(BTW, the flight nos. are BA125/124 daily LHR-BAH-DOH-BAH-LHR.)



 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Wed Sep 24, 2003 7:46 am

When AZ had the 747 on its fleet, it was a daily flight from Rome FCO to Milan MXP.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:22 pm

AZ has 747-400, VCE?
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:26 pm

Cathay Pacific used to fly AMS - MAN - AMS, but both destinations are now served independently from Hongkong. I think AMS - MAN is about 45 minutes flyingtime.
 
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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:53 pm

AZ has 747-400, VCE?

AZ had actually the 747-200. Anyway the shuttle Rome-Milan/MXP was operated even with a 747.


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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Thu Sep 25, 2003 7:01 pm

OK, from the past:

EI DUB-SNN and VV on their transatlantics.

And currently:

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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:14 am

Could it be THAI's flight from ZRH to GVA? Or some Intra-Thailand flights on THAI like BKK-CNX or BKK-HKT...


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RE: Shortest Flight On A 744?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:26 am

Hi

Hoons90 the 744's involved at Duxford was ZS-SAK (saturday) and ZS-SAZ (sunday) of South African Airways, these took part in the Century of Flight Airshow on September 6-7, the flight time was announced by Captain Guy Blackburn, the flight time was 7 mins from LHR to Duxford.

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