FlyPNS1
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NW Trims Down MEM

Wed Sep 24, 2003 9:44 pm

We heard rumors about this coming and here it is. NW will cut its MEM capacity by 16%.

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/030924/nyw072_1.html
 
plugger
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:03 pm

Excellent. Lighter periods of hubbing will be good for travelers in Memphis.
I wish all the hubs would lighten their heavy periods as NW is doing.
 
atcboy73
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:27 pm

Isn't this interesting.

They did this (or something) like this before. Right?

At one time they had 4 HUGE banks a day. Wasn't that right after NW took over Republic?

Then the economy turned sour and they went to 6 banks a day much like they announced they will do in January.

Then they went back to 4 big banks a day and now its back to 6.

So which one do you think is better.

Personally I like the 6 a day. It will be good for everything, ATC and delays included.
 
JohnJ
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:36 pm

Well, ATC delays aren't really much of an issue in Memphis, so that will be of little benefit. The 1963-era B Concourse is incredibly narrow and gets really congested, so fewer passengers per flight bank will be of benefit in that respect.

How about the Amsterdam flight? It only operates during one flight bank, and with fewer feed passengers, I would imagine demand will decrease for the flight.
 
plugger
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:37 pm

I agree, ATCboy73. And when demand returns with larger load requirements NW can put on larger aircraft during those less congested hub periods and get away from the habit the carriers are in now of deluging the crowded airports with those CRJs just to say they have given the traveler more choice in departure times. Usually, though, all those little jets add to the delay problems and I'd rather have fewer choices and be certain that the flight I am on leaves on time, avoiding the stress of delays and uncertainty on the arriving end.

Those CRJs are untenable for flights over 1 hour anyway. Now NW can bring in more 757s in to MEM when demand returns!
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 1:07 am

WHy do they say AMS is a hub? Northwest has like only a few flights there a day don't they???????????????????????????????????????????????
 
gigneil
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:06 am

Northwest serves many major US destinations from AMS in conjunction with KLM - as well as DEL/BOM.

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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:16 am

Flyboy80,
Northwest has flights to AMS from BOS,JFK,EWR,IAD,MIA,MEM,DTW,MSP,ORD,SEA,LAX,SFO,IAH. I think this is "like" quite a few, don't you. All widebodies.
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:31 am

Actually, if you read the release more carefully, the purported "six" banks are really three spread-out banks; the northbound and southbound banks all leave within 30 minutes of each other. I imagine that the east-west flights will likely be timed so that they can connect to and from flights in both banks.

It does look like there will be some equipment upgrades here and there, since the number of flights will be reduced by 18% though capacity will only fall by 16%; either that or Airlink flights will be the hardest-hit. We'll have to wait until the schedules are loaded to get a good idea of how things will look in January. It looks like MEM and STL are going to be pretty similar in size after Northwest's cuts.
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 2:42 am

actually the NW flts from IAH, SFO, LAX, ORD are always operated by KLM. The EWR, IAD, MIA, MEM, flts fluctuate b/t NW & KLM, depending on the time of year, as they switch b/t them to accomodate other cities where they have large "summer" travel.
 
LambertMan
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:03 am

Geeze....what a depressing time to be an aviation fan. More bad news after bad news. Hopefully its only a matter of time before things start getting better. Sad
 
Guest

RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:07 am

MEM is going to three banks.
 
Guest

RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:49 am

I think this is "like" quite a few, don't you. All widebodies.

 Big grin  Big grin
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:21 am

The last departure will be to AMS @7:20 p.m.....the north bound bank times will be 9 am 2:30pm, and 6:30pm---south 9:30pm, 2:00pm and 7:00pm...omni bank hub setup...loaded into computer on sat....
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:25 am

This six banks issue is no more than a complete marketing spin on the fact that they are reducing flights and capacity.
You are 100 times more likely to catch a cold on a flight than an average person!
 
Guest

RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 4:46 am

This six banks issue is no more than a complete marketing spin on the fact that they are reducing flights and capacity.
It was an a.net user who pointed that out. NW said they were reducing MEM flying by almost 70 flights per day.

At one time they had 4 HUGE banks a day. Wasn't that right after NW took over Republic?
MEM's never been much larger than it is today.
 
JohnJ
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 5:39 am

"MEM's never been much larger than it is today."

Well, in the late Republic Airlines era, nearly 200 daily MAINLINE flights operated out of the hub, which is more than double the current mainline schedule. I imagine that schedule carried on into the Northwest era by a year or two. Very quickly after the Republic merger NW started scheduling DC-10s into Memphis, and it wasn't unusual to see 747s on some of the MSP runs from time to time.

While the total number of flights hasn't changed much over the years, capacity sure has.
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:37 am

Well, in the late Republic Airlines era, nearly 200 daily MAINLINE flights operated out of the hub, which is more than double the current mainline schedule.

NW flew nearly 200 daily MAINLINE flights ex-MEM until recently.
 
MSYtristar
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:41 am

Perhaps we'll see some more 320's/757's fan out from MEM to some of the larger markets to compensate for the loss of capacity. Would be good to see.
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:46 am

This "new" schedule doesn't seem a whole lot different than the 3 bank system MEM used to have, prior to adding the 4th bank.
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:47 am

This "new" schedule doesn't seem a whole lot different than the 3 bank system MEM used to have, prior to adding the 4th bank.

Except for all those darn CRJ!
 
MSYtristar
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:54 am

34 cities will see the same number of flights apparently.....anyone care to guess what some of those will be?

 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:57 am

DL has CVG
CO has CLE
UA has IAD
AA will have STL

now NW joins the ranks as having MEM as their RJ hub....

Hopefully NW will invest some more effort back into DTW sooner or later....They've lost a lot more service than MSP has
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:57 am

Detroit, Minneapolis St. Paul, Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa Bay, etc.
 
MSYtristar
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:02 pm

Hopefully things will turn around and in six months or so we'll see another "Northwest to add a 4th bank of flights at MEM" announcement.

 
Guest

RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 12:08 pm

I doubt that will happen since they're (essentially) retiring quite a few (mostly -50) niners... the DL codeshare probably has a lot to do with the decision.
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 3:48 pm

Just a fad..they will go back to the operation like it is after a little while.... theyve tried something like this several times before and it didn't work....won't work this time.
Chicks dig winglets.
 
JohnJ
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:41 pm

"NW flew nearly 200 daily MAINLINE flights ex-MEM until recently."

Northwest held pretty steady at about 120 mainline flights at MEM for the past 9 years or so. The arrival of the CRJs starting in 2000 started this most recent trend of eliminating mainline flights out of Memphis.

The big Northwest scale-down at MEM came in 1994 - this excerpt is from Northwest's history page on their web site:

1994
March 2 Northwest completes a restructuring of its Memphis hub schedule into three omni-directional banks, improving connecting opportunities and profitability.




[Edited 2003-09-25 15:42:43]
 
azjubilee
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Thu Sep 25, 2003 11:40 pm

The largest hit with this shift in flying will be AIRLINK flying. Only 5 mainline flight will be eliminated. But in true airlines.net fashion we've sealed the fate on this announcement prior to seeing the skeds.


AZJ
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:46 am

AZJ,

Boo!  Smile
Actually, the cuts are proportionate to the current banks. Nonetheless, NW is parking a buch of DC-9 (mostly DC-9-50) due to the reduction in flying - mostly from MEM.
 
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:20 am

Wait for the announcement of the increased flying from MKE..
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RE: NW Trims Down MEM

Sat Sep 27, 2003 5:27 am

Wait for the announcement of the increased flying from MKE.
At least every passenger will be getting a First Class meal  Smile.

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