HOMER71
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LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:39 am

I don't know if this was discussed but we're looking into a vacation next year in New Zealand. Taking CO from IAH-LAX, but don't know which airline to take to Auckland, Air New Zealand or Qantas.

Let me know your opinions on those two. Ticket prices hasn't come into play yet, so let's leave that out. Which one is more comfortable, more friendly, etc.? I don't think NZ has PTVs (in coach); I know QF has them, but I don't know if they have them on the LAX-AKL route.

Any suggestions will be appreciated.  Smile
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:53 am

I flew NZ from LAX to SYD a few years ago and thought they were great. Comfortable seats and friendly staff....but wasn't anything overly exciting. I just wanted to fly on the beautifully painted 747-400.

I haven't flown QF, so can't compare, but if you went with NZ....it wouldn't be a mistake.
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:14 am

Id fly NZ, I flew them once, when i went to LAX on the 744 (Palau-GUM-HNL-AKL-LAX-SFO) It was really a treat. I also think that their color scheme on the 744 is the best one flying today, well, except for maybe Air Pacific. Also, with ANZ, you can fly to the pacific islands enroute to AKL, but that is with a 763.


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HOMER71
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:19 am

I've always liked NZ's livery, as well...thanks for the advice!
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:34 am

I don't know if you've looked yet, but NZ's website seems to make a big deal of their seats and service, even in Economy. I just get a good feeling about their service, current financial problems notwithstanding.
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:37 am

As much as I love QF, go for NZ, They really do need the pax more compared to QF i reckon
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:03 am

Both great airlines. NZ might have the edge service and pitch wise (34"!!!). Flew both of them long haul and they are both great. I think LAX-AA), New Zealand">AKL is served by a 747-300 but that might have changed now. NZ is all 747-400.
If your an AA frequent flyer, choose QF. If UA or US, choose NZ. So it really comes down to the points... as usual!  Big grin
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:04 am

Yeah, plus we ARE flying to New Zealand, so we need to use their national carrier, dammit! Big grin

Just checked out the website, I like the footrests on their Pacific class seats...
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:13 am


Always choose NZ over QF to New Zealand. Its the national carrier so hey have to offer more, and the service is THE best in the world. The crew are fantastic and its so easy, the pitch in economy is brill for the long flight and they certainly know how to look after their passengers. If flying business class then its great. Flown this cabin many many times and its the greatest. May not be flying beds......but the service and crew just make you forget all that. Have to say the only arguement i have ever had with NZ has been the RUDE american passengers but NZ is not responsible for that. Happy flying!
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:17 am

You can also earn Dividend Miles on Qantas. I flew LAX-AKL this past summer and the ride down is a torture chamber. Our flight was oversold; every single seat on this 12-hour ride was taken. The pitch on QF is miserable especially in several seats where the IFE equipment is stored. However, coming home SYD-LAX I had the opposite impression of Qantas...we were assigned the bulkhead and the whole attitude changed. With six feet of legroom, any seat excluding a park bench will seem comfortable. The food no matter where you are is very good; if they don't do any cutbacks, you will receive both a hot dinner and breakfast in both directions and a small snack bag a couple hours into the flight. No matter which airline you choose, it's going to be a long flight!

I wouldn't miss visiting SYD - it's so close to AKL yet a long way from the US!
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:31 am

I would choose Air NZ for more space and comfort and also for their great service ! Very friendly crew and I still remember fondly the flight with air NZ crossing the pacific. True, no PTV, but for a long flight, space is more important for me. I flew Qantas too, not bad, but still I would choose NZ.
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:33 am

I'd go with what pretty much everyone else has said, fly NZ. The two reasons that Air New Zealand is my favorite airline is that their airplanes are very comfortable and they have great service. For a guy that's 6' 3" I absolutely love the extra 2" of legroom (seat pitch of 34") compared to QF. Two inches doesn't sound like much but it's an incredible improvement, especially on a long flight. The other reason to fly NZ is I think they have some of the best service around. Their flight attendants are very friendly and helpful, plus the food is quite good.

The reason you would choose QF is that they have the PTVs. It depends on how important this feature is to you. I absolutely love PTVs but I still like NZ flights better (just more comfortable). Don't get my wrong, however, QF service is still better than average I feel.

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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 6:39 am

Fly QF - No PTV's on a flight that long make Homer something something.

Go crazy?

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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:42 am

So much for Qantas IFE...flying QF11 SYD-LAX back at the end of June (not even three months ago), 747-400 VH-OEB was PTV-less. I'd take my bulkhead seat with legroom over the PTV, anyways!
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:18 am

Hmmm, very close call. I have flown both Qantas and Air NZ on long flights. The food in economy class is surprisingly good and the service is even better. Most Qantas flights from Australia to the US have PTVs. Getting one of these flights coming from LAX to ALK then onto Australia at the crack of dawn is a real bonus when flying the Tasman - just time for one good movie.

I did not notice the extra leg room in economy on Air NZ - and I am 6'4".

In comes down to cost and whether you want a TV in front of you or a good book. I go for Qantas, though being an Aussie living in NZ does influence my decision.

 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:13 pm

So much for Qantas IFE...flying QF11 SYD-LAX back at the end of June (not even three months ago), 747-400 VH-OEB was PTV-less. I'd take my bulkhead seat with legroom over the PTV, anyways!

Most Qantas flights from Australia to the US have PTVs.

ALL QF 747-400 and -400ER as of now have PTV's installed.

It is the 747-300's that are in the process of updating.

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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:25 pm

I flew NZ the summer before last. The seats were great with the footrests, and the food was good as well. The crew was very nice although they looked pretty funny in their teal green uniforms. The in-flight entertainment was not all that great though, it was not bad on the way to SYD, because everyone was sleeping. On the way back though the entertainment was not cool....Just cause I couldn't sleep and didn't want to watch "I am Sam" for the third time. Smile
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 12:28 pm

I flew on ANZ from LAX-FRA-LAx and I really liked them I have yet to fly to fly with QF. Take ANZ anyway. Maybe you get a 767-300ER on that service.
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 3:55 pm

The direct LAX-AKL are all 747-400 services on NZ. All 767-300 services are one or multi stop.
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:03 pm

I took NZ LAX-SYD-LAX a few years ago...phenomenal...the 34" pitch feels like a first class seat on a US domestic carrier...the footrests are great, as are the winged headrests...true, there are no PTV's, but youll probably end up sleeping for a good portion of the flight...crew was very friendly on both ends, food was decent...cant go wrong with NZ...I havent taken QF longhaul yet but may within the next 9 months...it would be an interesting comparison...

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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 4:10 pm

I took Air New Zealand LAX-SYD-LAX and it was a great flight. At the time, it was ANZ's least profitable route, so I think that affected the ammenities, but it was a good flight.

The seats didn't seem to different to me over any other aircraft. But the winged headrests were just what I needed for a 15hr flight. They were perfect in proping my head up when I wanted to get some sleep. And when my neck hurt from tilting it for sleep, I put the winged headrest at its max so that they held my head up straight. Great!

ANZ was pretty good overall. I'm a big fan of taking the country's airline when flying to a particular country (BA to UK, QF to Australia, NZ to NZ!). I took ANZ to Sydney because of incredible airfare.
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:51 pm

Air New Zealand for my vote :

Why ?

1. Overnight flight - I want space and Air NZ give you a better seat with more legroom.
2. Food - Alsways better on Air New Zealand (check out the SteinLager)
3. Service - Cabin crew are just the best. Seriously.
4. A Seriously Cool Livery.

But I will come clean, I am more that slighlty biased against Qantas after a set of trips on them 2 years ago (LHR-SIN - LHR (3 times) and short haul to Bali). Uncomfortable seats with no legroom. Average food. And flight attendants who collectively gave the impression that really didn't like their jobs.


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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:22 pm

Go with Qantas. You will get PTV's, new interiors, and other extras like a snack pack etc etc .... have a look at the QF website. ANZ is in serious need of a major update to their long haul product. As for service ... Australians can be nice people as well you know.

PTV's may not be important on the night flight to Auckland but they will be eppreciated on the flight back to LAX.

FlyerAU .... I think OEB was the last of the 744's to be updated. I am pretty ure all 30 x 744's have PTV's now. Only 744's operate to LAX.

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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:39 pm

"Australians can be nice people as well you know."

Yeah, but they're the exception to the rule!! Big grin
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:02 pm

Flown both across the Tasman and find both to be good, taking QF to SYD next week, only chose them so I get to fly a 747-300, otherwise might have gone with the NZ A320.
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:18 pm

QANTASFOREVER:
"Fly QF - No PTV's on a flight that long make Homer something something.
Go crazy?"

Don't mind if I do! Aaaahhh!!! Big grin

Thanks for the suggestions everyone
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:31 pm

Can someone please tell me how a 'cool livery' is going to make ur flight any better when ur INSIDE IT? LOL

Seriously though both are great airlines, cant go wrong with either.

But dont forget the connection flights to AKL, i know that a connection flight is usually not as popular as a direct one. I know myself i would HATE having to spend a couple of days in Tahiti, Hawaii or Fiji  Big grin
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:37 pm

WEll, having just done the LAX-AKL-BNE route on Air NZ, i can
tell you all its Air NZ classic styling.

I like Air NZ for a few reasons.
1 - its usually about $200 cheaper for me
2 - great catering, and the airline has a far more 'british' and 'celtic' feel
about it than Qantas

But fflyer miles aside, your choice comes down to this
1 - do you want PTV...QF
2- do you want more legroom...NZ
3. - better catering... NZ
4 - personal amman pack and goodies ...QF

I have found, this flight doesn't really matter all that much
about PTV's because most of the flight is in darkness and a lot
of it you are sleeping. (plus half the time u've just got 12 channels of
crap vs 1 crap option...i suggest bringing a good book) the Australia - USA flight has a few more
hours of daylight so they're probably more important there.
The quality air nz put into the food is amazing. even the sugar sache
have a green matalic packaging. However, i must say, the staff aren't
exactly models....QF does fly much better looking ones, albeit more arrogant
ones.
It is disappointing Air NZ doesn't offer the touches like socks and eyeshades
QF have. If you pick QF you certainly won't be dissapoint.
Don't get too excited about the Air NZ footreats...there only like the one on
the website on the bulkhead/1st row type seats. The others have a small
footreast that falls down from the seat infront. The fact the seat tilts too is very good and does make a difference. QF have a similar seat, no footrest and no tilting, but almost the same shape etc....almost certainly from the same factory!
If you fly Air NZ don't forget to steal one of their blankets! really cool!
and also, the colours inside the cabin are really nice...the teal green and blue go well together. Remember, its really a little airline at the end of the day, and it does still have that 'feel' about it.

On a side note, on your way home, allow at least 4 hours for your connection back to continental. I have found there tends to be a few delays on this route....
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:38 pm

Fly Qantas, their service is improving all the time as they try and catch up to the standard set by the SE Asian airlines and you if you are lucky, you might also get the B747-400ER to escort you downunder. Additionally, why don't you stop for a few days in Sydney, see the Opera house, climb the Harbour Bridge etc and you can meet some of the friendliest people in the world!
 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 11:44 pm

Qantas:
1. TVs.
2. the aussi accent
ANZ:
1. lotsa room
2. great meals
3. cool livery
4. great people
5. they need the bizz more
6. you are going to NZ after all eh...

well thats how I see it...


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HOMER71
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 12:48 am

Zizou, that's a possibility, I would love to visit Australia! My brother use to be in the Navy on an aircraft carrier and got to visit Perth - had a great time...
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 9:46 am

QANTAS power you are right,

OEB was the last as I was just sifting through my flights and that was the registration I took from LAX to SYD on 20th July and it was PTV-less, However when I enquired through a QF sales manager to last aircraft to be fitted was 21 August. So all 744's are fitted with PTV's. The 743's are being fitted at the moment.

The 2 class 744's will start to fitted with the new business class beds only from October 2004 though.


To Homer71,

I thing it would boil down to this though
Choose NZ
* star Alliance traveller
* extra 2 inches leg room
* superior friendlier service

Choose QF
* one world alliance traveller
* Have PTV's
* travelling with children

Do come to Australia if you have time as AKL to SYD is only a 3 hour trip. But in NZ spend at least a couple weeks on the South Island the natural beauty has just got to be about the best in the world.


 
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RE: LAX-AKL...NZ Or QF?

Sun Sep 28, 2003 9:25 pm

Absolutely, Aussie, after a day or two in AKL, we're hopping over to CHC and do some tramping.

Plus, my wife is huge fan of LOTR and when I told her where they filmed it, it pretty much planned our getaway...
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