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Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 10:33 am

Just curious.

Why are there no Russian aircraft flying revenue service to the U.S.? Aeroflot used to fly IL-86, IL-96 and IL-62M to the U.S. Mavial Magadan used to fly TU-154's to SEA.

What happened? Is it the Stage 3 rule? Is it their safety record?
 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:46 pm

As far as the Antonov 225 is concerned, I have seen it at ANC, BWI, JFK, and NZY. It must be making revenue in some fashion.

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I know the Illyushin 62 to be earsplitting at takeoff. No doubt that is part of the reason it is no longer in revenue service in the US. Its famous accident at Ted Stevens International Airport is another.

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The Tupolev 154 is also earsplitting at takeoff. That is no doubt why it is no longer flown into Seattle by any airline.

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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 1:55 pm

Both the Illyushin 86 and Illyushin 96 have been flown into Los Angeles (LAX).

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Aeroflot flights into both LAX and IAD have been replaced by 767 aircraft.

 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:13 pm

Short answer....they are loud.

I doubt the tail incident here at ANC had anything to do with the russian jets.

And Mavial still drops a TU-154 into here about 5 am every Friday....Occasionally it is substituted with a IL-62.
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:17 pm

I've only seen one russian jet, and as I recall it had two pilots, an engineer, navigator, and radio operator. I guess that was finacially feasable in the days of communism when everybody had to have a job. Maybe this has something to do with it as well?
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 2:26 pm

I remember seeing IL-96's a few times at LAX back in the '90s. I wish I'd appreciated them more when I saw them.
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:15 pm

Worldperks,

The Aeroflot Il-62M vs. Asiana 747-400 accident at Anchorage was 100% the fault of the Asiana pilot. I will search for the accident report right now.

The Il-62 was parked with no passengers or crew aboard (maybe just a cleaner, according to some sources).

As for the noise, the Tu-154 is marginally stage 3 compliant, and the Il-62 isn't that loud, compared to some 'classic' airliners still flying in the USA.


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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:30 pm


The funny version as told by a pilot who witnessed the whole thing:
http://www.thedamnedestthing.com/page8.html

The dry version from the NTSB:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001211X11355&ntsbno=ANC99FA012A&akey=1

The CVR transcript:
http://aviation-safety.net/cvr/cvr_oz221.shtml

 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:35 pm

L 188: "Short answer....they are loud.

I doubt the tail incident here at ANC had anything to do with the russian jets. "

That can't be the reason, L188. We were talking about loud 727 too , also I called them dirt-catapults. The russian planes are allowed to fly to FRA too and you bet that we have much harder eco-restrictions than the US has.
Just to compare what aircrafts are still flying in the US vs. western europe.
 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:04 pm

Hey, If non stage 3 Russian Jets are allowed to fly into Frankfurt, then it can not be true, that they aren't allowed to fly into the US. CANNOT.

Just ask Stefan....

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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:07 pm

Correct. Asiana was to blame.

The story I hear from a Dynair Ramper who happened to be waiting for that flight was that the plane made the gate and contrary to the marshallers instructions tried to power it around and make it.

Ended up in the Aeroflot instead.
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 7:25 pm

Heard the Asiana pilot which caused that incident used to fly for Korean Air !!
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 8:08 pm

So anybody can tell me which russian aircraft isn't allowed to fly to the US cause of it's loudness?
 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:15 pm

So anybody can tell me which russian aircraft isn't allowed to fly to the US cause of it's loudness?

As we know, Stefan, there isn't one.

For everyone else:

Most of the reason they don't fly to the USA is because the airlines who have Russian aircraft prefer to fly their western equipment (passenger perception) to 'the west'.

Besides, there are only a few airlines, and a few types that could operate to the USA anyway, given the long distances.

The Russian far-east to Alaska routes are the only ones where you will see a Tu-154 (it is only a medium range airliner), and apart from that, the Il-62 and Il-96 are the only other types which could make the distance.

Cubana won't be opening many routes to the USA in the near future either. That's a shame!

Don't forget there are some Antonovs which operate from Florida (are they still there?) and many An-124/225s in use every day in the USA.

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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:19 pm

@Ben: I would have been surprised that there is a restriction.

So maybe maybe airlines with older russian planes (or other planes which are very noisy) have to pay more fee when they want to use airports.
Lots of european airports do so: the louder a plane, the more fee.

And maybe that's one of the reasons why most of the eastern european airlines use younger planes from europe or the us (and also acceptance from passenger).
 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:22 pm

I've seen an AN-124 at IAH once and a while.
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:38 pm

most of them are not stage III compliant. too bad, i'd love to have more of them at JFK, hell even LGABig grin
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:58 pm

To Ben from Worldperks.

Thank you for that. I'm printing the information out.  Smile

 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 12:43 am

I have video of a Aeroflot IL96 landing at SFO
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 12:47 am

Tu-154Ms are stage 3 compliant. Tu-154Bs aren't and as far as I know none have been convetred to stage 3. I think the Il-62M is somewhat stage 3 compliant after all it flies in Europe. Basic Il-62s are the loud ones(they have the same engines as the Tu-154B). Il-86s are non stage 3(modified Tu-154B engines is your reason). Il-96 are quiet just like an A-340 for example. An-124s/225s fly to USA and have stage 3. It even says it on the engine nacelles.
 
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RE: Why No Russian Planes To The US?

Sat Sep 27, 2003 1:42 am

Aviastar is still operating AN-26 and AN-12 turboprops out of Opa-Locka airport in North Miami Dade. I live near there and see them flying around regularly.

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Marketing

Sat Sep 27, 2003 1:44 am

soviet/russian aircraft are percieved by westerners as being unsafe.

you will find that most of their flights from moscow to western european destinations utilize their boeing/airbus fleet. flights between moscow and eastern european and other destinations are on russian aircraft.

it's a marketing thing.
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