a340pilot
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Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 4:47 am

Ive heard of so many stow aways trying to leave in the wheelwell of a "heavy", and they arrive at there destination a popsicle! Has anyone ever tried to flee in the wheel well and survived? Or why do they do it if they know the chances are slim? Would the pilot not notice a weight difference?

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pl4nekr4zy
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 4:59 am

Hey A340pilot,
Yeah, people have survived flights in wheel wells. There have been previous talks in the forum about this topic, so I suggest trying a search. And I highly doubt a pilot would notice a weight difference in a huge airliner.
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 5:05 am

Hey Pl4nekr4zv,

well as you can see as plain as the sun in the sky..........ive only been around in this forum for about 23 days, so I don't even know how to search except manually, and from what I could see (in my own search) I didn't find anything! IM not saying its not there but I didn't see it!  Insane
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tallguy14
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 5:12 am


There was a World Airways 727-100 that flew a refugee flight from Vietnam (Hanoi? Saigon?) in the late 60s/early 70s. The militia stormed the airport and were trying to prevent people from getting on the plane-- so there was a panic, and everyone tried to get onboard the taxiing 727. There were many stowaways, even some in the wheel wells. I saw a picture of the plane in a 727 book, and you can actually see legs hanging out. I think everyone survived (despite the plane being seriously overweight) because the Captain left the gear down and flew at a low altitude.

Double check my facts!

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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 5:38 am

A340pilot
This may interest you :

http://www.isd12.org/chs/LitOnlineText/Stowaway.htm

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a340pilot
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 5:51 am

"wow" That is quite a story! IM going to assume that if the flight was more than 12 hours he would have froze to death!

Best regards, and Thanks for the scoop!

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kilavoud
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:16 am

A340pilot

As Armando Socarras Ramirez felt unconscious it should be one of the reasons for his survival :needing less oxygen, less warmth. He is for me a symbol of courage in the search of legitimate freedom. According to some other sources on the web this stowaway story should have happened in 1969 instead of 1970. Anyway it is real. I like people not accepting to be manipulated by governments or others, doing everything to be free. Regards. Kilavoud.
 
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:18 am


Here's the story from http://www.worldair.com/history.html


"The early 1970s were a very profitable time for World. The military airlift to Vietnam was the airline's main business. While World continued to operate its contract flights in support of Vietnam, airline president Daly was troubled by the human suffering of the Vietnamese people. Between Feb. 15 and 26, 1975, World flew supply flights from Tan San Nhut air base in Vietnam to the beleaguered Cambodian capital of Phnom Phen with two DC-8s - averaging six round trips a day.

The relief flights were a test of both the aircraft's and its crew's mettle. Because of rocket attacks around the airport, the DC-8s would descend at 4,500 feet per minute to the war torn airfield. By March 29, 1975, the North Vietnamese were closing on South Vietnam's second biggest city of Da Nang. Daly brought two 727s to Saigon to make 20 evacuation flights from Da Nang under government charter. After only three flights had been made, the US Embassy canceled the contract due to the deteriorating situation.

Daly, the humanitarian, ignored official advice and, on March 29, 1975, flew the two 727s to Da Nang in hopes of rescuing women and children. When the first plane landed, with Daly aboard, thousands of people rushed the plane and clambered aboard anywhere they could. Daly stood at the ventral airstairs using his Golden Glove hands and the butt of a pistol to knock off the soldiers trying to climb aboard the already overloaded plane. With the runway full of people racing toward the airplane, the flight's captain, Ken Healy, took off from a parallel taxiway of about 5,000 feet in length. Despite being hit by a grenade, several bullet holes, and striking a pole on take-off, the aircraft made the usual 40 minute flight in just over two hours. When the aircraft landed at Saigon the crew figured out that they had carried somewhere between 330 and 338 "passengers" - including about 60 in the cargo compartments and eight in the landing gear wells.

Despite the success of the "Last Flight From Da Nang" and the worldwide media exposure, Daly was depressed that of the hundreds of souls aboard, only eleven women and children were among them. "


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pl4nekr4zy
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:33 am

Here is a link to another thread discussing some of the above topics: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1193877/6/
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a340pilot
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 6:35 am

Pl4nekr4zy:

Thank you for the link and my appoligies, I had no idea it was discussed before!

Best reguards,
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pl4nekr4zy
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RE: Travel In Style.......In The Wheel Well!

Sun Sep 28, 2003 7:05 am

A340pilot,
No need for an apology, totally understandable  Smile

To check for previous discussions, just click "Search" at the top of the forum, and try searching for words or phrases regarding the topic being searched for. Quite simple, really. Just try messing around with it for yourself  Big grin

Getting back to the topic on hand, these stories are truly amazing. I can't say I'd have the guts to try something that daring and dangerous. But then again, some of these people were fleeing for their lives, or fleeing from their lives of horror.
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