lehpron
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Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:23 am

I see them as a waste. Here is my bias: I dont fly that often so I guess it wouldn't work...

Does anyone other than the business traveler fly as often?
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Sabena332
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:43 am

I fly quite often, mainly on Lufthansa (and partner airlines) or on Air France (and partner airlines). Last year I had enough miles on my Delta SkyMiles account collected that I could fly DUS-CDG-VIE-CDG-DUS in Business Class (I paid 35.000 miles). Next Saturday I will fly DUS-FRA-BRU-FRA-DUS on Lufthansa, I spend 18.000 miles for the trip in Economy Class which is really cheap in my opinion. I still have enough miles on my Lufthansa Miles & More account to do an other trip but I will save them for now. So frequent flyer programs are working very well for me.

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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:46 am

I see them as a waste. I dont fly that often


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lehpron
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:51 am

What is point? I stated that so this thread would not fill with off-topic posts of people asking why I think it is a waste. Besides, it is with respect to me, you should not have a problem with it.

In any case, are they miles related to flying or are they reaned though other means?
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:53 am

If it weren't for FF programs, I'd fly on the cheapest airfare...
 
Kempa
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:57 am

Even people who don't fly much can earn miles. I have Delta's SkyMiles credit card, and I haven't flown Delta in a while. Each dollar I spend earns one mile or more. Slowly this adds up, and soon I will be flying Delta again, for free.
 
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:59 am

It's working, why shouldn't it ? Of course it depends of the Airliner. LH Frequent traveler (Star Alliance) is just great. Try it and you will understand.
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:02 am

These days they are better for the airline than the pax....
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Sabena332
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:02 am

Kempa is correct, I also have the Lufthansa Miles & More Visa card, I get one mile for every Euro I spend.

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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:04 am

Let's see. I spent $4000 on UA a few years back, doing mostly short flights. Earned top elite status and enough miles for 2 F tickets to Australia.

Yes, I would say it was worth it!
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FLIEGER67
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:05 am

Hi,
I fly really often, but its a different if you fly for business or you fly for fun.
Business=FF.
Fun=Low Fare, in the last 6 to 7 years I´ve had 3 free flights on AF and all the tickets are buyed in the lowest fare they offered from Skyteam as I fly with them for fun,. so for me it really works good.
And LH payed a lot of the books I read as its possible to buy books on a Internet book store with Miles and More Miles for good exchange rates.
And FF give me some upgrades on flights.
So FF membership, I wont miss it.
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:06 am



I work for UAL as a reservations sales agent and get about 15 calls a night of people who are desiring to book trips using there MPI accounts.

Yes!!!! The program works great.....WHEN.......consumers understand the limitations of the program....so many people are now calling to use miles from their MPI account for trips during the holidays and I am having to say for the most part ......Im sorry but the 25kseats are all gone. Consumers do not read the fine print of the program and understand that not every seat is a MPI SAVER seat. What I like about our program is that you can OPT to use more miles and if we have any economy seat available you can have it.

If you are going to be a apart of a FF Prog just like buying tickets on PRICELINE you will need to be flexable with time and dates to get what you want...the nice BENI of MPIs are that if space is available tommorow and on your return date you can travel with us with out advance booking restrictions.

YES....FFPs do work but the expectations of the program needs to be understood and that certian market areas are busier than others..

Not much free come without some cost.

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prebennorholm
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:48 am

A colleague of mine had to attend a Thursday/Friday meeting in a pleasant southern European city. On a company payed economy class ticket - we always fly on economy class.

So he opted for a Sunday evening return and invited his wife to join on a ticket payed with his frequent flyer points. So they could enjoy a nice weekend together.

But no, there was no economy class seat for the wife. The wife could stay at home, or she could go on business class, which would cost almost all points on the account.

So she got the business class ticket - they would sit on different sides of the curtain during the 3+ hr flight.

Not so!!! There were plenty of economy seats available, so the wife just went to the back of the plane.

So yes, the FF programs do work, but not always the way you would expect. (A very smart way to clean out a hard earned FF bonus account?)

When you read the small letters, then the airline company was probably right. They reserve the right to limit the number of free flights per class on each flight, probably down to zero. Meaning that they probably limit our free tickets to flights which they know almost for sure won't end up fully booked.

That's OK when only the airlines tell us how it is. But if they give us the impression that we can choose among their schedules the same way as ordinary paying pax can, while we are excluded from half of their flights, then...
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sllevin
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 8:05 am

That's OK when only the airlines tell us how it is. But if they give us the impression that we can choose among their schedules the same way as ordinary paying pax can, while we are excluded from half of their flights, then...

As others have said, it's a matter of class of service. A standard award is just like a cheap ticket -- while they may exist on a given route, they aren't always available when you go to buy them, especially at the last minute. If you want to go whenever you want, typically it takes twice the miles. On the other hand, compared to airline fares (even with the LCC's) the cost difference of 100% is pretty small when you compare the revenue fares (where last minute purchases often cost 3-4 times a cheap ticket).

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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 10:32 am

Frequent flyer miles have become the most valuable non-monetary currency in the world and make hundreds of millions of dollars for the owning airlines. AC's spinning off their program indicates that everyone sees them as valuable and shows one more place where airlines might make money stabilizing their balance sheets. Yes, there are customers who spend more to fly on a carrier even for leisure travel because of their loyalty to that carrier. And of course the programs are valuable only because many customers value them.
 
PVD757
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:30 pm

The biggest perks come when an airline signs a contract with a major company worth millions of dollars for all of their travel needs. These usually include the purchase of miles, special discounts and other premium services for the high level executives. When a company goes with just AA, or just UA, or just with one particular carrier, they are making an investment for their employees. Some airlines offer all kinds of incentives just to land a lot of the major company accounts.
 
F9Widebody
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 12:47 pm

Well, in my dad's case, United mileage Plus works for him and United. He gets 1K status with united, allowing to earn more miles than usual (600,000+), he gets access to the priority check-in line and TONS of first class upgrades. He also gets preferential treatment should, say the airline break his bag. In return from him, United gets loyalty. To this day, I have not been able to get my dad to fly Frontier once, simply because the miles on United are simply too important, and he doesn't want to jeopardize his 1K status.

One problem we have had however, has already been mentioned. Due to his status, he often gets free travel with a friend coupons. However, these coupons often apply to certain classes. So we will go to make a reservation thinking the fare is $250 and find out that in order for the friend flies free promotion to work, we must buy the $625 ticket. The fare classes are just way too confusing.

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ckfred
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RE: Do Frequent Flyer Programs Work?

Tue Sep 30, 2003 1:27 pm

If you cash in miles, do it for an expensive ticket. I cashed in miles for my wife and I to fly ORD-YYC several years ago. If I had paid for the tickets, it would have been over $1000.

Last year, I used vouchers to get two free coach seats ORD-SEA. Then, I cashed in 60,000 miles to get the upgrades to First. Being fed good meals both ways, having lots of leg room, and free wine with dinner was worth it.

I earned most of my miles through a dining program (10 miles for every dollar I spend), credit card, and phone service.

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