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What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:07 am

I was wondering what airports in the world have Category IIIA/B/C ILS.

I know it's relatively few since CAT III is very expensive.

I think most airports that have ILS are CAT II, am I correct?

Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:09 am

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:16 am

F9Widebody,

I'm sure it does, but I doubt all the runways are Category III equipped.
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:22 am

Orlando International (MCO) has Cat III's on runway 35 and 36R. I checked the plates myself
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:22 am

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:26 am

Armenia is the only country from the 3 caucasian countries (Armenia, Georgia and Azerbaijan) to have a CATII approach (soon to be CATIIIA):

Zvartnots Intl airport (new ICAO code:UDEE , from the previous code UGEE) will have a CATIII approach very soon! For now, the CATII on rwy 09 is doing just fine!

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:32 am

I believe the runways at KUL are CAT 3b or a certified not sure.
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:35 am

In Canada, it is pretty simple!

Only CYVR and CYYZ have CATIIIA approaches!

CATII approaches are available at CYVR, CYYZ, CYUL, CYHM, CYMX, CYYT, CYHZ and CYWG!

That pretty much covers Canada!

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:45 am

Fresno (FAT) installed a CAT IIIB system a year ago on 29R.
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:49 am

Fresno-Yosemite Intl. (KFAT) has ILS cat. IIIB avail. for 29R. Go to the airport search at http://www.airnav.com/ for specific airport info.
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:58 am

In Europe, all major airports are CATIII equipped!

Airports like EGLL, EGCC, EGKK, LFPG, LFPO, LOWW, EDDF, EHAM, EBBR, LIRF, LPPT, LEMD, EKCH are all, if I am not mistaken, equipped with CATIII approaches!

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:21 am

CLE only has Cat. III/B on Runway 6R. Runways 24L, 6L/24R and 28 are all Cat. I.

Info gleaned from http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCLE.


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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:24 am

Thanks for all the replies.

Does anyone know what category Beirut Airport's runways are?

I think the old 18/36 is CAT I, the new 17/35 and 03/21 are CAT II.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:24 am

Rwy10 @ MSY is Cat III/B
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:30 am

Beirut Intl airport has no CATII runways....:-(

Rwy 17, 18, 03 and 21 have all a CATI ILS approach. That is about it!

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:34 am

Thenoflyzone,

No, 17/35 and 03/21 I know are at least CAT II. I heard they MIGHT be CAT III (since CAT II is relatively easily upgradable to CAT III).

18/36 is CAT I because it's very old (from the 50's).

Perhaps you are confusing it with the OLD runway 03/21 which is now a taxiway. That one was CAT I.

The new 03/21 is at least CAT II.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:35 am

San Francisco KSFO has rwy 28R CAT IIIB.
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:43 am

The new 03/21 is the bright shiny runway on the far left side (close to the mountains):


The old one is the one directly parallel to it which is old and gray looking. It was converted to a taxiway when the new 03/21 opened. The new 03/21 opened in 1998.

The old 03/21 was only 10,433ft. long, made of asphault, was only HIRL (High Intensity Runway Lighting), and either didn't have an ILS at all, or was CAT I.

The new 03/21 is 12,467ft. long (big increase), made of concrete, is HIRL/CL (High Intensity Runway Lighting and Centerline Lighting), and has at least CAT II ILS.

17/35 is the one that is goes out into sea (shiny one) which is also CAT II. It opened in 2001 I believe.

18/36 is the one between 17/35 and the terminal which is the CAT I runway I mentioned earlier.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:44 am

Hmm...according to airnav.com, MIA's runways that I have ILS are all CATI! Odd for such a major airport...
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:44 am

Definately Flyboyaz....

CAT III is essential for San Francisco because of the amount of fog there. Same goes with LHR and other foggy places.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:46 am

BA,

It took me a little while to find it at faa.gov. Here is the complete list of CAT III as of July 2003.

For the US:
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/afs/afs410/73103/sec3cat73103.htm
and more on those listed above as restricted ops.
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/afs/afs410/73103/sec4cat73103.htm

Non-US airports approved for US operators to use for CAT III.
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/afs/afs410/73103/sec7cat73103.htm
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:48 am

FATflyer,

Excellent! Just what I was looking for.

Thanks so much.  Smile

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:53 am

Except for Oslo - Gardermoen (OSL / ENGM) that has CAT IIIa installed on both 01R and 19R, all other ILS equipped runways in Norway are CAT I only.

However, there are some good news for my local airport, Stavanger - Sola (SVG / ENZV)! The Avinor Board of Directors have recently decided that we will have CAT II on our 18 runway by next year.
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:44 am

MKE has CAT IIIB on 1L.
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:49 am

Seattle, Portland and Spokane are Cat III. Horizon and Alaska have all Cat III fleets. CRJs will be operational soon from what I hear.
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 2:50 pm

MUC/EDDM has CAT IIIb on all runways (8L/R and 26L/R)

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:29 pm

Waiting for CAT IIIc????

Honeywell is installing DGPS/LAAS at several airports this year. If I remember correctly, the test sites are:

William J. Hughes Technical Center, Atlantic City, N.J.
Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center, Oklahoma City (two systems)
Memphis International Airport, Memphis, Tenn.
Sky Harbor International Airport, Phoenix
George Bush Intercontinental Airport, Houston
Juneau International Airport, Juneau, Alaska
Chicago O’Hare International Airport, Chicago
Seattle-Tacoma International Airport, Seattle
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Wed Oct 01, 2003 9:30 pm

The first airport in Italy was LIME/BGY with CATIIIB ILS. Now there's a few other airport with CATIII ILS in north Italy where during the winter it's very foggy. Sometimes during the winter almost all the airport are Below the minimum.
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:40 am

NCL/EGNT has Cat IIIB on runway 7.
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RE: Since When LCD Screens In A340-300 Cockpit?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:48 am

Denver is Cat IIIB capable on 34L, 35L, 34R, and 35R.

The rest are Cat I.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:39 am

34L just opened a few weeks ago, isn't that correct? That would explain why it doesn't show on the July list I posted above.
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 3:49 am

Zurich (ZRH, LSZH) has two Cat III runways: 14 and 16.
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:14 am

PVD has CAT IIIB (down to 600 ft RVR) on Runway 5.
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:14 am

Hello,

in Germany Hannover/HAJ was one of (or absolutly) the first Cat IIIb equipped airport in germany. As far as I know Rwy 27 r was it.
In summer 2001 I had the chance to watch an automatic Cat IIIb landing from the flight deck jump seat on a 737-800. I was one of the most interesting landings from the flight deck I had. You just see the runway a second before the mains burn their rubber. After we taxied from the active I wondered how I will find my way home with my car...
During that night only one runway was obscured. The 2nd runway and the terminal were pretty well visible. Anyhow the captain decided against a runway change as it was not sue how the fog would develop during approach.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:12 am

Okay, I just found out that Beirut's runway 17 is indeed Category III, however I'm not sure whether it is A, B, or C. I'll find out tommorow hopefully.



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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:21 am

RIC RWY 34 is Cat IIIB.
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:26 am

Hey guys, I know this might sound like a pretty stupid question but what is the difference between a category II and a category III ILS?
 
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:31 am

Boeingflying31,

While Category II does allow autoland, Category III has a more accurate and precise autoland.

That is one of the differences.

Category II also has a minimum visual range of the runway of 1200ft. and a minimum decision height of 100ft.

Category IIIA has a minimum visual range of 700ft. and NO minimum decision height.

Category IIIB has a minimum visual range of 150 feet and NO minimum decision height.

Category IIIC has NO minimum visual range and NO minimum decision height.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 10:15 am

Boeingflying31,

There is a very technical discussion on this going on right now in the tech_ops forum and several sub-discussions popped up about the matter.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/tech_ops/read.main/69987/
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:57 pm

Thenoflyzone,

It's very interesting that Zvartnots in Armenia will be CAT III soon. I thought that work was not going as planned there and there were delays. EVN gets very thick fog a few times a year and it was closed for 2-3 days back in January of this year.

Hope they'll be able to upgrade it before the winter season.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 4:31 am

Od720,

I really have no idea when they will upgrade to CATIII, but one thing is for sure, they finished repaving runway 09/27, which they had started last year!
I read somewhere that the upgrade of rwy 09 to CATIII capability would be complete somewhere in the phases of renovation of the entire airport, which is set until 2009 I believe! Although I doubt that they will stick to their schedule!

You can use the following link to monitor the NOTAM's for all airports including UGEE! just type UGEE in the text box and read the NOTAM. It used to clearly indicate the renovations at hand, and now, since they are no more there, I am assuming the rwy renovations are over:

https://www.notams.jcs.mil/

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RE: Since When LCD Screens In A340-300 Cockpit?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:09 am

34L just opened a few weeks ago, isn't that correct? That would explain why it doesn't show on the July list I posted above.

That's right. DEN 34L has just opened.

I may be wrong - at least 34L might be Cat IIIC, and some of the others might be as well.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:26 am

I may be wrong - at least 34L might be Cat IIIC, and some of the others might be as well.

It's CAT IIIB.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:17 am

BA

Do you have the approach charts to OLBA? If so, I would really appreciate it it you could forward them to me! I'll give you my e-mail address if you have them!

(Sorry about the missleading information about OLBA! I own FS2004, as I am sure you do, and there is no mention of CATII or CATIII approaches at OLBA.)

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 6:31 am

Bangor, Maine (KBGR) has catIII and the largest scheduled planes we get are 50 seat RJs. This was done because there is an ANG refueling wing also based at the airport.

Most airports that have scheduled service are catIII equiped now.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 8:37 am

CO2BGR,

Actually there are a lot of airports with scheduled service without CAT III. Take a look at the FAA's list as of July 31, 2003 that I posted earlier.
http://www1.faa.gov/avr/afs/afs410/73103/sec3cat73103.htm

In the Northeast I see that among the airports without CAT III are BUF, SYR, ALB and others. Here in California just some of the airports without CAT III are SJC, BFL, SNA, and SAN. The US has a long ways to go.
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 8:58 am

Thenoflyzone,

I'm afraid this is all I have:


I asked a good friend of mine who has his friend who works at the weather center in Beirut Airport and runway 17 is CAT III I'm not sure whether it's A, B, or C.

Runways 18, 21, and 03 are all CAT I.

Yes I do have FS2004. If you do fly into OLBA in FS2004, then I suggest you download the scenery OLBA2002 which was designed for FS2002 but works pretty well in FS2004, in the future it will be updated:
http://pages.infinit.net/mkaram/Leb2004

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 11:02 am

Its strange that in south america only EZE and SCL are catIII no brazilian airport at all? Sao Paulo is not CatIII?
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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 3:47 pm

Hi BA,

There's always this problem when you attach photos with your messages, some of the words are kept out of the text.
Maybe you should attach the photo seperately and then make another post for the text. Will that be practical?

Anyhow, great posts. Keep them coming.

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RE: What Airports Have Category III ILS?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 5:32 pm

LBA has Cat III on r/w 32- but plenty of flights are still diverted as soon as the weather closes in. When this happens passengers blame the airport for being on the top of a hill, but in truth if a pilot isn't Cat III trained he can't land! A number of charter operators also state that if a Cat III landing is required at LBA there must be sufficient headwind - any indication of still weather or a crosswind and no landing will take place, hence the diversions.

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