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Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:28 am

Any word yet on when Song will expand to the West Coast in a significant way? Obviously I'd love to see them in SEA and SLC, but also across the West as well. We could use some more competition in the West, as AS and WN pretty much own it.

What cities in the West do you think will get Song first? Thoughts?
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:31 am

Hey, it's October now! Is the IFE up and running?
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:35 am

To expand on BCAInfoSys question. What about some midwestern cities? Any information or opinions on what Songs plans are?

Thanks

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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:37 am

Supposedly, their website shows their future route plans (up to a certain point, anyway...)
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:39 am

Yeah it is October what about the IFE?
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:39 am

I think Song may take over much of DL's domestic flying from JFK, DL is currently flying 757s from JFK-SFO, LAX, PHX, SEA etc.
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:41 am

There are currently 37 757's in Songs service rite now. They are still working on getting a place to install the IFE. Hopefully by the time my flight comes to LAX in 3 weeks maybe the IFE will be there.


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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:41 am

There is word around SLC station at Delta that they will be in SLC by April,
will operate from gate D1 (the original Delta Gate before the Western Merger) and will have service from SLC to MCO LAS PHX & JFK
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:52 am

I heard from some DL baggage guys and mechanics that they were expecting Song to come to LAX this October. They were a bit mad because Song would take Delta's gates at T5. On a side note, Air France is looking to move from the TBIT to T5 as well. So the DL crew would eventually have to do Delta, Song, Air France, Jamaican, and China Eastern. Let's see what happens.
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 5:57 am

If I'm not mistaken, I think SONG is allready at LAX & has been since the first part of September..
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:24 am

Yes, this is correct for this one of those flight from MCO/TPA-LAX flight and also, which one is starting today with nonstop from FLL-LAX by this evening. Thanks!  Smile
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 6:39 am

Believe the Song LAX flights are Song in name only- otherwise an all DL operation. DL @ LAX also handle Spirit and Sun Country. AF is definately moving to T5 in November although some AF ground staff will remain (many are losing their jobs).
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:11 am

Do any of you see a chance of SEA-SLC and vice-versa service? Or will that remain mainline DL?
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:23 am

The Song LAX flights are Song flights. There are specific gates for them. They are on Song planes. The service is Song. Ground operations might be mainline Delta, just as they are at Atlanta. It would be more logical given the staffing levels at LAX and the need for staffing flexibility.
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:25 am

I am laughing sooo hard at Song. Their load factor is about 70% which is below Delta's load factor. Song won't last. They will be gone just like all the other airline within an airline schemes that have been tried in the past.

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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:34 am

Ummmm.... a load factor of 70% can still be profitable.
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:36 am

Because the SEA market is a higher yield buisness market, I doubt you will see that from SLC on SONG. SONG is tuned to go into markets that are traditional leisure markets. That being said however, they are being proactive about
JetBlue, and I think they will enter markets that B6 thought would be stand alone markets for them. Currently DL has major competition in the SLC-AS / KLAS), USA - Nevada">LAS, and SLC-PHX market & of course SLC-MCO and FLL will happen no doubt. DL carries a huge amount of pax thru SLC headed for cruise ships at FLL. If AS ever enters the SLC-SEA market, you will probably see DL and WN increase service to combat that. Traditionally SLC-SEA is a regional market for SLC meaning that most of the traffic on that market is hub traffic from cities within a 500 mile radius of SLC, so with the loyalty of AS pax in the SEA area, and thier feed from QX I'm really suprised they haven't entered this market allready.
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 7:42 am

my garbled sentence above should be SLC-LAS, and my ohter comment should be Tradiitonally SLC-SEA is a regional market for DL, meaning that most of the traffic on that market is generated through the hub from cities within a 500 mile radius of SLC
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:26 am

Thanks for the insight SunValley, I appreciate it. I'm still trying to get some insight into how everything works; you have a much better grasp of it then I do.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 9:40 am

Regarding IFE from today's flysong.com website:

By early 2004, every seat on Song flights will be decked out with a personal video monitor so you can:


watch all-digital satellite TV from DISH Network
create a playlist of digitally-streamed MP3s.
watch pay-per-view programming on demand, there's something for all ages.
play multi-player interactive games with other passengers.
find points of interest along your trip with iXplor, a zoomable video map.
get gate information for connecting flights.

What a marketing/PR blunder - it would have been better to offer it as a surprise instead of hype and drop.

No offense, DL is my carrier of choice and I want to try Song*

*when IFE is offerred in every seat. So, I plan to try it in 4Q 2004!
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:06 pm

I hope DL does not bring Song to SEA. Especially to SLC. It would be another reason for Alaska to add service to SLC.
 
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:25 pm

SuperDash -

I'm having a hard time following the logic of your post. If Song did add service to SEA and SLC, and AS followed suit by moving into SLC, why is that a bad thing? More competition equals better fares and better performance by the airlines, all to the benefit of the passenger.

Am I missing something?  Confused
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RE: Song To The West Coast?

Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:57 pm

BC-
You are correct. I should say, if Song replaced DL in SEA-SLC, then I hope Alaska would add service (because I would not want to fly Song). DL is good on SEA-SLC. AS would be great. I am not a fan of the "Song" program. Maybe that's because I can't sing.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy