UN_B732
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NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:35 am

SkyTeam doesn't have a very strong presence in Asia. NW is really SkyTeam's gold in Asia. Do you agree?
Northwest-Asia.
KLM-More Catchment of Europe
CO-US-Trans-At markets pioneered.
Anyother roles of SKyTeam Carrier?
-UN
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BH346
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:37 am

Aren't you forgetting about KE?
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:39 am

That title could've gone to KE... but their speed in building a relationship with DL/AF has not matched their swiftness in the recovery of their safety record

NW brings a lot to the SkyTeam table, much more so than CO.

AF has scheduled service to more Chinese destinations (Asia's hottest market) than any other Euro-carrier

SkyTeam still lags far behind Star and OneHeathroWorld in SEAsia and Oceania however, and doesnt look likely to change that in the foreseeable future  Sad
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UN_B732
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:39 am

Yes, but KEs presence in Asia isn't THAT strong. When we look at Star Alliance they have UA,SQ,TG.
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ConcordeBoy
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Sun Oct 05, 2003 8:50 am

When we look at Star Alliance they have UA,SQ,TG

Star has UA, SQ, NH, TG, and OZ in Asia... with NZ in the S.Pacific

Not to mention the fact that they're pushing hard for Air China and Shanghai to join ...lotta power in Asia
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Sun Oct 05, 2003 9:12 am



KL has a much bigger presence in Asia than AF, and don't forget MH, they might join sky soon...
 
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Sun Oct 05, 2003 9:20 am

The acquisition of CO really brings some strength to SkyTeam. The SouthWest Pacific! they get a bunch of islands, Denpasar, Cairns, and a hub at GUM. A great aquistion if you ask me.

-Copa

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killerbabe
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:25 pm

With the KLM move the presence of Sky Team in the pacific will increase.
KLM has a lot of flights into the region, as has KLM a number of strong partners: China Southern Airlines and Malaysia Airlines and in a minor degree Garuda Indonesia.
And their is NWA with a strong hub at Tokyo Narita and do not forget Korean Airlines.
 
worldtraveler
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Mon Oct 06, 2003 10:15 pm

NW is clearly important from a US-Asia perspective and KE is making ICN work as a strong connecting hub for both US-Asia and Europe-Asia traffic; KL and AF both have significant presences in Asia. CO's S. Pacific presence is largely designed to carry local pax from Japan to island destinations so they will not likely share that revenue with anyone. What Skyteam needs is a carrier in east central (HKG, TPE) or southeast Asia (SIN, BKK, KUL). CI has the potential to help fill the hole but like KE they are working to restore their credibility on the world stage.

Skyteam's biggest need is probably more in S. America than Asia.
 
HlywdCatft
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Mon Oct 06, 2003 10:30 pm

With that Korean Air Alliance, will that bring about another DTW-SEL flight with either Northwest or Korean Air?
 
NWAA330
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RE: NW-SkyTeam's Gateway To Asia

Tue Oct 07, 2003 12:49 am

Please ignore the "SA>" I cant seem to get rid of them.

Northwest Airlines will completely fill the void of US gateways-Asian gateways with its flights to Tokyo and onward to all of Asia's major cities. It has more presence in Asia than any other US carrier. This being said however SA)">NW and KE cannot by any means cover for SkyTeams lack of a SE Asian carrier. The answer there of course is to bring in either Garuda Indonesia or MH (or ideally both) but neither seems to be looking for that right now though both do currently codeshare with SA)">NW and KL and have for some time. Also compete with STAR and get China Southern or China Eastern in Skyteam. The advantage of SA)">CO that many fail to notice is its extensive central and south American network. SA)">CO and SA)">DL cover all SA)">NA to SA major routes and KLM flies to all gateways in SA from AMS, this alond with AeroMexico mostly eliminates the current void of a South American alliance partner. (although one wouldnt hurt) I fail to see what if any benefit SkyTeam gains from CSA being part of the alliance. Alitalia AF and soon to be member KLM certainly have enough European presence without CSA being involved. If SA)">NW and SA)">CO are to be added however there really doesnt seem much point in SA)">DL. SA)">CO covers all the same European cities as SA)">DL as well as those in South America. SA)">NW obviously takes care of Asia with its SA - Michigan">DTW WorldGateway and Tokyo Hub. 3 eastern US airlines just seem redundent to me. But SA)">CO and SA)">NW certainly add more than SA)">DL so their addition seems valid.

My Idea of what SkyTeam should Be:

KE-North Asia
SA)">NW-US-Asia
SA)">CO-US-Europe/Central &South America
AF-Europe
KLM-Europe
Alitalia-Europe
MH-SE Asia
Garuda- SE Asia
China Eastern-China
AeroMexico-Mexico
JetAirways-India
Copa-South America

Regards,
NWAA330


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