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Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:40 am

Hey everyone, I was reading the following article about cameras on planes. I would have to side with the pilots on this one because I think it would remove some of their authority in judgement. Also, I do not understand how cameras prevent hijacking. Great, so now we can watch it happen?? You are at 30,000 ft, you have your weapons, but there are cameras on this plane.....foiled.  Yeah sure


FAA testing cameras inside planes to monitor passengers, pilots

Doug Simpson, Associated Press

Published October 6, 2003

NEW ORLEANS -- The federal government is evaluating technology that would put video cameras on commercial flights so people on the ground could monitor pilots and passengers and get an early warning of hijackings or other trouble on board.

The Boeing Co. demonstrated a satellite system to Federal Aviation Administration officials in two test flights early this year, showing how images could be sent from a plane to the ground, said John Loynes, an FAA program manager in Washington. A Boeing 737, equipped with seven cameras, transmitted images of the cockpit and cabin.

Pilots have fiercely opposed efforts to put cameras in cockpits as an infringement of their authority. Passenger advocates have supported cameras as a way to prevent terrorist acts.

FAA officials stressed that the tests, conducted in January and February, were preliminary and said the agency's focus is purely on whether the technology would affect air safety. There will be further tests and other agencies could decide whether or how to use the technology, said Greg Martin, FAA chief spokesman.

About 20 federal and Boeing workers, most of them engineers, were on board the round-trip flights from Seattle. Federal air marshals also tested Boeing technology that allows the use of handheld devices to transmit video and to speak with and send data from the air to workers on the ground, Loynes said.

One camera showed the pilots from behind, one was in first class and the others showed the rest of the passenger area. Workers on the ground, at Boeing offices in Seattle and in McLean, Va., could choose which camera view to look at by touching a computer screen.

Loynes described the tests as successful, with a few glitches in which video images were briefly garbled.

The tests were part of Boeing's 2002 contract with the FAA to test various security technologies.

In 2000, National Transportation Safety Board officials pushed a plan for cockpit cameras, saying they would aid air-crash investigators.

The proposal was dropped after stiff opposition from pilots, who were concerned that cameras could lead their control over decisions made during flights. Pilots said workers on the ground could misinterpret video images and give orders based on incomplete information.

But advocates for air passengers say cameras would make air travel safer by preventing terrorism and hijackings.

David Stempler, president of the Air Travelers Association, said cameras would allow officials to assess the seriousness of a disturbance in the cabin. Officials on the ground could then talk about the problem with the flight crew members, who could learn about the situation without having to leave the cockpit.
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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:43 am

I don't know if they still do it, but I remember soon after 9/11 JetBlue started to have surveillance camera's in there cabins.

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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:47 am

Continental has them on a few 777's also. But for the sake of security, I guess I probably shouldn't say which ones

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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:51 am

An A320 equipped with surveillance cameras would seem to me to be a pretty hijack-proof aircraft. If anyone were to make a threatening move, chime the seatbelt sign and go into a few Fly By Wire type manoeuvres . . . send the bastards rolling down the floor to the back. Sounds a bit extreme, but after 9/11, that's the choice people have.
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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:54 am

I read this article several days ago and have had time to digest it. I still can not figure anyway that it could increase security of an airliner.
They installed cameras at the 7-11 and that stopped armed robberies, yeah right.
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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:54 am

So what's the point of watching a hijacking when you're not able to do anything ?
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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 4:56 am

Having them on board is fine IMHO. But why should they be tied into a system on the ground? I don't think I am understanding the benefit of this.

Say there is an unruly passenger onboard and they need the film for court. Then it has served its purpose. But do we really need cameras in the cockpit watching the professionals work in a secured environment? I think that is overkill.

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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 5:10 am

I can see surveillance cameras at a 7-11. Once the roberry is comitted, the guy can escape. The footage can help to identify the suspect. However, a hijacker isn't going anywhere. Once the plane lands, authorities board and arrest him (this is, of course, assuming the plane makes it to the ground in one piece).

So now we have his picture and 200 dead people (including him). Great.

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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 6:06 am


SIA to install surveillance cameras outside cockpit
By Barry/ Debra

Singapore Airlines says that by 1 November, all its planes will have surveillance cameras installed to allow the pilot to view the cabin area just outside the cockpit.
This is just one of the stepped up security measures which the airline has undertaken.
Speaking at a media briefing on Friday, SIA spokesperson Mr Rick Clements said other security measures include random physical checks on baggage and improved plane surveillance on the ground.

Since 1 April, all SIA planes have bullet-proof reinforced cockpit doors installed.
Only pilots and where necessary, cabin crew are allowed into the cockpit.
And air marshals are on board some SIA flights.

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RE: Surveillance Cameras On Board?

Tue Oct 07, 2003 6:18 am

A number of airlines had video cameras installed in the baggage compartments on their bulk-loaded aircraft, to prevent pilferage of the bags by employees. I know that's off-topic, but they've been around for a few years "downstairs."
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