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Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:06 am

Would American Airlines ever get another 747 ?? Or in fact any other U.S. airline other than UAL? Consider their long haul routes and passenger load.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:08 am

Definetely Not!!!!!, They have the 777. If they will get any new aircraft in the near future, it will probably be the 7E7 to replace the aging 762 aircraft.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:11 am

I agree with BR715-A1-30, AA seems happy with an all twin-fleet, and will even phase out their seemingly endless fleet of MD-80s soon to go to a true, all-Boeing/all twin fleet.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:11 am

Not likely, this plane doesn't really fit into the North American air market at all since they would rather have frequency over flights. For long hauls the 772 and 763 do perfectly fine as they have similar ranges to the B747 (at least the 772 does)
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:15 am

Although I think a 744 in AA colors would look great, I just don't think it will be in the cards. For AA's network, the 777 is simply a superior aircraft in virtualy every regard. The only airlines that really need the capacity of a brand-new 747 are airlines with a significant presence in Asia. For most airlines, the 777 provides plenty of capacity for their routes. If it doesn't, the 777's efficiency allows them to increase frequencies if necessary. With competition coming from the A380, demand may significantly slack for the 747 series.

Which brings up an interesting personal point. In most of my posts on this forum, I admit that I have been critical of those who get upset about the decline of older aircraft, such as the 727, DC-10, L-1011, MD-11, etc. Generally, I don't see those aircrafts' disappearance as a bad thing because they are largely inefficient and simply outdated. However, I must concede that I will probably shed a few tears if and when the 747 is no longer in service. That would truly be a sad day.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:26 am

I would expect the 777-300 if they require a heavier aircraft than their 772s.

I think the 777-300ER would be a switch, but they might get over their RR obsession.

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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:37 am

I think its unlikely. American does not have a lot of long-haul routes nor routes that are traveled heavily enough to support a 747. There are a few cases where American might be able to use the 747 and make a profit, such as Chicago-London, Dallas/Ft. Worth-London and Chicago-Tokyo. However, American probably believes that the 777 is good enough for those routes.

That said, I think American should add the 747 to their fleet again. The 747 is the most popular aircraft among the flying public. American did use the 747 back in the 1970s and early '80s, but at that time, it did not have the extensive international network that it does now. If only American had hung onto the 747 a little longer, it would have been very profitable for the airline and the 747-400 would likely be a part of American's fleet today.


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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 7:48 am

US airlines are now banking on having more frequencies than increasing capacity on core routes that is why AA-DL-CO etc dont have B 747s anymore as their 767s and 777s are adequate enough for their main long haul routes to LHR-AA), Japan">NRT-CDG etc. They have enough frequencies to these cities from their multiple USA hubs and pax from the West these days prefer more freqency and more choice rather than one daily flight with 400 pax!!!
 
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:14 am

The 747 is the most popular aircraft among the flying public.

I doubt this is true. If the public really cared that much about what aircraft they fly on, there would be 747s in every major's fleet.

Behramjee hit the nail on the head. Today's traveler values frequency much, much more than he cares about flying on a 747 or a 777. You stated that the 747 would probably work on AA's DFW-LGW route. Sure, it would, but that would mean reduding the daily flights from 2-3 per day to one per day. Most business travelers (who pay the most) wouldn't like that. The 777 has been a huge success for AA, and if they need more high-capacity, long-haul aircraft, this is surely where they'll go.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:19 am

As much as I'd love to see an AA 744 (or any 744 for that matter) fly into SJC...it just doesn't make sense.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:31 am

Fat chance. American Airlines disposed of their 747s over twenty years ago. Not to mention, the Boeing 777-300ER, if they decided to move up, would make much more sense. The aircraft carries more passengers than a 747 and because it has two engines and has as long range. American is going bankrupt. Unfortunately, though I would be very interested in seeing those 747s in American colors, it is unrealistic because, if you think about it, if you have an aircraft equally or more capable than the 747 that has only two engines, why pay for four engines when you can pay for two at half the cost?
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 8:36 am

Perhaps not the most popular aircraft to the public, it is the most recognizable....maybe that's what Airways6max meant. Anyone who knows nothing about airplanes can identify a 747.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:03 am

The aircraft carries more passengers than a 747

As great an aircraft as it may be, the 773ER does not carry more pax than a 747.


Anyone who knows nothing about airplanes can identify a 747

Or at least they think they can. As obvious as the 747's features may be to us, I sincerely doubt that an average mall-dweller could discern a lone-standing 747 from a 707/DC8/A340/etc.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 9:27 am

While American used to operate the B747, the possibility of them getting a 747 in the future is highly unlikely. An AA Captain told me that the reason they got rid of the 747 back in the day was because it was an unprofitable airplane for them. The chance of AA getting a B747 in the future is not likely at all, but rest assured for everyone, he also said that the possibility of getting an A380 is out of the question too.

The 777 is a good airplane and has worked out good for American, and will continue to be the main airplane for the future of the company. While United and Northwest currently fly the 747, he did mention that UAL has been selling a few of their 744s that are parked in thedesert to international carriers to get rid of them, as that market for UAL is decreasing too. The 777 is a better suited aircraft for UAL on many routes, of course the 744 continues to serve as a niche on other routes.
 
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:23 am

Thrust

AA did in fact fly a couple of 747'sp into the 90's, they were used mainly on the DFW to AA), Japan">NRT route, and even found service on the JFK to LHR route.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 5:27 pm

Yes, the US airlines prefer frequency over size. Because the US has so much space and so few people who care about environmental pollution compared to Europe.
But a consolidation process might change that. The fact that 747s have mostly gone from US-Europe routes is due to the fact that there are so many competitors. If, lets say, two majors in the US have disappeared in five years time (by bancrupcy or merger), and some in Europe as well,that might change. Then even holding the same frequency could allow 744s again or even A380s to fly Transatlantic.
 
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 10:42 pm

"An AA Captain told me...the possibility of getting an A380 is out of the question too."

While I agree American will not operate the A380 in the forseeable future, these decisions are not made by pilots. It's up to American's management team what airplanes they feel are best for the airline and purchase.
 
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Wed Oct 08, 2003 11:52 pm

"747s have mostly gone from US-Europe routes"

What about BA, VS and AF then?
 
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Thu Oct 09, 2003 12:27 am

Richardw,
LH and Virgin also use 744s to the US, and NWA flies 747s to Amsterdam daily, but these few airlines are nothing compared to the masses of 747s flying these routes 15 years ago. Alitalia, British Caledonian, Olympic, Pan Am, TWA and more are either gone or fly smaller aircraft now. And Air Canada will replace its 3 744s soon.
 
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:14 am

I believe that I read an article a few years ago when AA still had two remaining 747SP's that they had ordered 2 744's. These were going to be direct replacements for the 747SP's on the Asian routes out of JFK and I think DFW. These were however cancelled and the delivery positions were purchased by BA.
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RE: Would American Airlines Ever Get Another 747?

Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:52 am

American did place a temporary "order" for two 747-400s in the early 1990s. The order was dependant upon AA winning the rights for Chicago-Tokyo. The 747 was part of their application. When United won the route American dropped the order.