debn
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India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 2:41 am

This is great news. Airlines from ten south-east asian countries can now operate daily flights to indian metros. Which airline will be the first to take advantage of this offer??

http://us.rediff.com/money/2003/oct/08asean.htm
 
behramjee
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:24 am

The airlines that should take advantage of this are :

SQ
MAS
TG
CX : can now go daily to BOM and DEL as well as start flying to other key cities such as BLR-CCU and MAA...BOM is 4 times a week on B 773 but via BKK and extends to DXB, so three more flights I would assume would be nonstop A 333s, the same can be said for DEL.
JAL + ANA
KR & OZ should seriously look into BLR 3 times a week!!!
Air China - China Southern - China Eastern

Isnt there enough demand from India for GARUDA to restart flights to the nation?
 
odie
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 3:53 am

Behramjee: Japan, Hong Kong, Korea and China are not part of the ASEAN grouping. I definitely agree with you that MH, SQ and TG will take advantage of this open-skies agreement.
 
behramjee
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 5:57 am

MH have already dramatically increased their frequencies to India.

TG just began MAA flights extending to DXB and BLR is all set for next spring.

SQ too has announced increase in frequencies (7 to 10 weekly) from SIN to BOM with B 772s.

What is left to be seen is when TG and MAS go daily to BOM-DEL-CCU-MAA-BLR etc and after MAS which carrier will start HYD flights.

India maybe offering open skies to countries BUT FOR GOD SAKES THEY FIRST NEED TO CLEAN UP AND MODERNIZE THEIR AIRPORTS (esp in BOM-DEL-MAA-CCU-BLR & HYD)!!! Their airports compared to KHI and LHE are hopeless!!!
 
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 5:59 am

Is this Open Sky offer strictly to the 11 ASEAN nations or the ASEAN+3?

Like the recent meeting in Bali, all ASEAN meetings involve the participatoin of the +3.

They are Japan, South Korea and China. This time in Bali Japan flew in with a Japan Self Defense Force B744.  Smile
 
odie
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:14 am

If this goes through, will this be the first open-skies agreement between the 10 member ASEAN nations and one country?

Behramjee:
MH's India expansion has not shown up in their CRS yet. We might need to wait until Summer 2004 before we see this expansion.
 
B747-437B
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 6:19 am

My understanding is that the offer is open only to "designated carriers" of the ten ASEAN member countries within the framework of existing bilaterals.

This would therefore mean the following carriers would be authorized to commence or increase services :

Brunei : Royal Brunei
Cambodia : no existing aviation bilateral
Indonesia : Garuda
Laos : no existing aviation bilateral
Malaysia : MAS
Myanmar : no designated carrier
Phillipines : PAL
Singapore : Singapore Airlines
Thailand : Thai Airways
Vietnam : no designated carrier

Furthermore, this offer extends ONLY to operations to BOM, DEL, CCU and MAA upto a maximum of 1 daily flight to each. It does not allow carte blanche operations to BLR, HYD, COK, etc...

I'm not overly excited by this and I don't see any of the carriers taking up the offer in the short term. The three major beneficiaries of this would theoretically be SQ, TG and MH but all of those already have access to essentially as much of the 4 designated markets as they desire.
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MAS777
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 7:48 am

Thanks for clearing that up B747-437B...

It all sounded way too good for TG, MH and SQ for a minute there...

"...Furthermore, this offer extends ONLY to operations to BOM, DEL, CCU and MAA upto a maximum of 1 daily flight to each. It does not allow carte blanche operations to BLR, HYD, COK, etc... "

- not much of an 'open-skies' policy is it?
 
behramjee
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 8:23 am

Well so what if only daily is allowed...this will mean that TG, SQ and MAS who fly A 330s and B 777s to India can upgrade their equipment to B 773s or B 744s or from A 330s to B 777s (if it is justified due to high demand) thereby increasing seating capacity, cargo revenue and yield generating altogether extra $$$!!!

What about cargo flights, do they have open skies for freighters too?
 
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RE: India's Open Sky Offer To Asean

Thu Oct 09, 2003 9:08 am

this will mean that TG, SQ and MAS who fly A 330s and B 777s to India can upgrade their equipment to B 773s or B 744s or from A 330s to B 777s

Did it ever occur to you that perhaps they would have tried this before now if the demand was warranted?

The key word here is "CAN". They CAN also do nothing. Heck, they CAN also stop flying altogether and merge into one huge railroad holdings company. But its not likely.  Smile
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