kevin752
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Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:20 pm

I was wondering if AA will have service to Auckland, Sydney, Melbone, Nadi and some other south pacific cities. At this time AA has code share with QF now. AA has 777-200ER's with pacific Config so they have the equip. All comments are welcome.

Kevin

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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:31 pm

AA's exclusive relationship with Qantas is probably more lucrative to them then inaugurating service to the South Pacific. Besides, AA's B777 couldn't feasibly fly to SYD.

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UAL747
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:38 pm

UA flies their B777's to Auckland, so why couldn't AA fly theirs to Sydney? It's within the range of the 772ER. Plus, I believe AA has 207 min ETOPS on their 777's.

Anyway, AA has extensive codesharing with QF so it's not likely at this time.

However, Sydney would be the most likely candidate, followed by Melbourne, but Nadi? Forget it.

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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:41 pm

UA flies their B777's to Auckland, so why couldn't AA fly theirs to Sydney? It's within the range of the 772ER.

UA no longer flies to AKL. Giving credit to where credit's due, B747-437B once explained this in reference to UA flying LAX-SYD w/B777:

UA's 772 have the RANGE to reach Australia, but alas not the ABILITY. There is no ETOPS 180 available for South Pacific operations yet. LAX- AKL squeaked in using a less efficient ETOPS 138 routing, but to use the ETOPS 138 path for SYD ops would make the route too long.
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[LAX-SYD may be a similar distance as CO's EWR-HKG flight] but you are facing a greater likelihood of strong headwinds over the Pacific, whereas on the polar route its a much easier ride. Even the GE90 struggles to make it EWR-HKG with full payload when conditions aren't optimal.

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travel
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 1:55 pm

I know this may not happen, but I would love to see Continental Airlines or Northwest back to Australia.
 
AJ
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 2:02 pm

"There is no ETOPS 180 available for South Pacific operations yet"

Yes there is and United Airlines operated their Auckland services under these rules. Qantas and Air New Zealand operate 180 minute ETOPS all around the South Pacific.

American Airlines chose to suspend their Australiasian services with DC-10-30s in favour of codeshare arrangements on Qantas services.
 
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:20 pm

Doesn't Air Pacific also have a code share agreement with American Airlines? I do believe they have direct flights from Los Angelos to Nadi.

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RayChuang
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:25 pm

I highly doubt that AA will fly to southern Pacific destinations. The reason is simple: using a OneWorld codeshare, AA designates the SYD-LAX flights by QF as codeshare flights. It's small wonder why QF plans to fly the A380-800 on the SYD-LAX route as early as possible.  Smile
 
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 10:54 pm

We have already been down under twice now and pulled out. I do not think we would start service back up again.
 
airbear
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:02 pm

Sorry, but ho-hum! AA has tried the Australian market, i.e. SYD, TWICE before. In the '70's for a short time - lasted less than 12 months - with B707's via NAN & HNL, and then once again in the early '90's - likewise for 12 months at the most - w. the DC-10. They gave up last time, when it became clear that their shiny new (at the time) MD-11's couldn't do the job non-stop, as they had expected.

Goodness knows that QF badly needs/deserves some real competition on the LAX routes, but it won't come from AA or, I doubt from any US airline. It may eventually come in the form of SQ or CX, if ever the Australian Government stops doing (in bi-lateral "open skys" negotiations...) whatever QF tells it to do!!
 
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Mon Oct 13, 2003 11:47 pm

UA's B777s would barely make it to SYD, even with ETOPS 207.

UA's 772ERs are a bit less capable than most.

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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Tue Oct 14, 2003 3:33 am

CX will never compete head to head with QF on the Aussie-USA route, they are partners. The airlines I could see really doing it are SQ, and maybe some SkyTeam affiliated airline, or codeshare partner, like MH.
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Tue Oct 14, 2003 4:24 am

Yes there is and United Airlines operated their Auckland services under these rules. Qantas and Air New Zealand operate 180 minute ETOPS all around the South Pacific.

Correct.

Since Sean wrote that statement, USA carriers have indeed gained the ability to fly 180min segments in the southern Pacific.

ETOPS207, however, is still only allowed in the northern Pacific; and still only on a case-by-case basis
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:51 am

American flew to Australia and New Zealand in the 1980's. They operated DC10 service from Dallas/Ft. Worth to Sydney and Auckland, via Honolulu.

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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:50 pm

I remember seeing those AA DC10's at AA), New Zealand">AKL in the early 1990's as a 9 or 10 year old, brings back memories, I saw a photo recently with AA and CP DC10's JL, UA and CO 747 classics ah the memories. Sadly I doubt that AA will return they codeshare with QF on LAX-AA), New Zealand">AKL and SYD and BNE-AA), New Zealand">AKL. UA might return to AA), New Zealand">AKL someday though.
 
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RE: Will AA Have Service The South Pacific

Wed Oct 15, 2003 4:54 pm

Sorry Dont forget CO's 737-800 3x per week GUM-CNS...

You can connect all the way through from the Mainland..